Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly

Cruize · 04-04-2016, 08:51 AM

The Saints needed veteran talent and leadership at LB. They got it. The Saints needed a TE. They got a potential play maker. The Saints needed more athleticism at DT. They got it. The draft is now set up where they can take the BPA. And this draft is loaded with defensive talent. Unless they wiff in the draft, the Saints are a better team than they were last year.

vpheughan · 04-04-2016, 10:18 AM

For that matter there is a reason San Diego moved on Brees too!

Rugby Saint II · 04-04-2016, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Re-signed: FB Austin Johnson, CB Kyle Wilson, G Senio Kelemete, TEMichael Hoomanawanui, K Kai Forbath, RB Travaris Cadet, QB Luke McCown, S Jamarca Sanford, TE Josh Hill Cadet infuriates me but the coaches seem to love him.
Signed: TE Coby Fleener, LB Nathan Stupar, LB James Laurinaitis, LB Craig Robertson, DT Nick Fairley, K Josh Scobee, Nick Fairley
Lost/cut: S Rafael Bush, TE Benjamin Watson, G Jahri Evans, LB David Hawthorne, LB Ramon Humber, WR Seantavius Jones, WR Marques Colston, CB Brandon Browner, RB Khiry Robinson

If you look at what we lost and gained I think that the front office did very good maybe a B- and here's why:

Linebackers - we lost Humber and Hawthorne but gained Lauranitis, Stupar and Robertson. Good trade off in my opinion.
Laurinitis>Anthony(at MLB'er) Stupar=Humber
Stupar and Robertson improves our depth tremendously. imho

TE - we lost Watson but gained Fleenor and re-signed Hoomanawanui and retained Hill. GREAT in my opinion.
Fleener has a ton of upside with Drew throwing to him. Hill is average at best but I like Houman.

RB - we lost Robinson but re-signed Cadet and are talking to Hightower about re-signing and that will be a GREAT win in my opinion. We will sign Hightower.
I will miss Robinson and I'm sick that Cadet is wasting another roster spot......he won't continue to contribute like he did when he rejoined the team late last year. I'm hoping we re-sign Hightower. Fingers crossed.

WR - we lost Colston and Jones who but Cooks, Snead and Coleman are ready to take over. We could use someone like Boldin that's not afraid to go over the middle. Good move in my opinion. We will get another receiver like Colston before the season starts. Look for it in the later rounds of the draft. Coach is good at picking gems in the late rounds. Right now we only have Fleener to work the middle. We need another big body to take Colston's snaps across the middle. We also need a burner to complete the Hendereson/Meachem roole.

CB - we lost Browner. What loss? He was Browner than burnt toast! We re-signed Wilson and will get 1 or 2 more in the draft. Good in my opinion.
If last years rookies can contribute and Lewis is healthy we will be alright at corner. But if we have one corner go down we are in trouble with no depth on the roster.

S - we lost Bush but re-signed Sanford and signed Eric Dixon. Good trade in my opinion. We will get one more before the season starts. Nelson or Whitener since his release from Cleveland would both be great additions.
Kicker - we signed Scobee and he will replace Forbath for sure. Great move in my opinion.

Guard - we lost Evans but re-signed Clemente and will move Peat to LG and this position will be addressed in the draft probably 3rd round. Below Average in my opinion.
We have Kelemete or Lelito to fill the RG spot with decent depth. I don't want to have Peat playing LG. That means we dropped the ball and he has to play there. We need 3rd or fourth round draft pick at LG to step up and start right away. We may spend another draft pick here as well.
FB - retaining Austin is a win.
I really think that Houman gets of his snaps
QB - we re-signed McCown and will eventually restructure Drew to free up a lot more cap space. Good in my opinion.

Defensive Line - we signed Fairley which is a fairly decent move but still need to address the Defensive Line and we will with Jarran Reed or A'Shaun in the first and a hulk of a DT or stand up DE in the 2nd. We will get either Shaq Lawson from Clemson or Calhoun from Michigan State. If Billings from Baylor falls to us in the 2nd, Correa DE/OLB Boise State or Howard CB Baylor we will grab one. Good in my opinion.
Adding Fairley is a B+ if only for value.

and guys and gals we still have 3.3 million in cap space with Drew's restructure left. GREAT IN MY OPINION.

B- is my final offer!

Well thought out my friend!

AllSaints · 04-04-2016, 04:38 PM

Losing Brandon Browner made our defense better and the locker room alot better

CheramieIII · 04-04-2016, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Exactly how is Scobee a great signing and he should beat out Forbath? he's old and there's a reason Jacksonville moved on.

Scobee hit 86.7% on field goals and Forbath hit 69.2. About the only way that isn't a ton better is if you use the new common core math! lol It's amazing after all I posted you picked out the kickers? lol

CheramieIII · 04-04-2016, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

Scobee isn't any better as he missed fgs himself. I can't envision Scobee having a turnaround just because he could be on a winning team. That's like throwing darts at a dartboard. When a kicker starts falling, that's it.

Again, Scobee hit 86.7% on field goals and Forbath hit 69.2. About the only way that isn't a ton better is if you use the new common core math! lol It's amazing after all I posted you picked out the kickers? lol

WillSaints81 · 04-04-2016, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by CheramieIII

Scobee hit 86.7% on field goals and Forbath hit 69.2. About the only way that isn't a ton better is if you use the new common core math! lol It's amazing after all I posted you picked out the kickers? lol

How many FGs did Scobee miss last year? You really believe Scobee is gonna be Hartley 2.0? I don't see it. Either way, Scobee is not going to be a game saver for us. I just don't see it. Forbath can at least make the 50 yard FGs. Scobee may have passed that point now.

This is the one signing I hated, as I wanted a young kicker late in the draft like the next Tucker or Succop.

RaginCajun83 · 04-04-2016, 05:51 PM

He missed them in Pittsburgh, almost every kicker sucks kicking in Pittsburgh. If Scobee can turn back the clock, maybe they have finally found a kicker

WillSaints81 · 04-04-2016, 06:58 PM

For what one season? He's near retirement. I don't thnk he's as good as Viniaterri.

WillSaints81 · 04-04-2016, 09:06 PM

I decided to do some comparisons here............

Scobee vs Forbath in same environments
@Philadelphia
Scobee(2014 week 1) 1/3 for 49, missed 50 and 36 blocked
Forbath(2014 week 3) 2/3 for 44 and 49, missed 33
@Washington
Scobee(2014 week 2) 1/1 for 36
Forbath(all season 2014 at home) 10/12 for highs of 42, 27, 31, 25, and 25. He had no FG opportinities against two teams and the two he missed was against the same team, week 11 vs TB.
@Indy
Scobee(2014 week 12) 1/1 for 28
Scobee(2013 week 17) 1/1 for 37
Forbath(2014 week 13) 2/2 for a high of 29
@Houston
Scobee(2014 week 17) 1/2 for 53, missed 51(hit left upright)
Scobee(2013 week 12) 2/3 for 30 and 53, had 49 blocked
Forbath(2014 week 1) 0/0 missed XP(it should be noted he didn't miss a XP rest of season)
Forbath(2015 week 12) 2/2 for 30 and 57
@Denver
Scobee(2013 week 6) 2/2 for 50 and 30
Forbath(2013 week 8) 0/0
@Minnesota
Scobee(2012 week 1) 3/3 for 19, 27, and 47, had xp blocked)
Forbath(2013 week 10) 2/2 for 20 and 40
@Pittsburgh
Scobee(2015 week 4) we already know
Forbath(2012 week 8) 2/2 for 48 and 45, missed XP
@Cleveland
Scobee(2013 week 13) 3/3 for 44, 36, and 25
Forbath(2012 week 14) 1/1 for 44

Last year Scobee was 3/7 at home yes. Scobee, however, has never kicked here. He was injured in 2007.

With that aside those atmospheres consists of places Scobee has kicked since 2010 that Forbath also has and it's a no-brainer, Forbath is better on the road. We're looking at just our home stats, well we shouldn't be grinding games out at home to begin with.

Btw Forbath in 2014 was 88.9 for Washington. How did he suddenly do bad for us? Could it be our special teams?

04-04-2016, 08:51 AM	#31
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,294	Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly The Saints needed veteran talent and leadership at LB. They got it. The Saints needed a TE. They got a potential play maker. The Saints needed more athleticism at DT. They got it. The draft is now set up where they can take the BPA. And this draft is loaded with defensive talent. Unless they wiff in the draft, the Saints are a better team than they were last year. saintfan, Danno, CheramieIII and 3 others like this.
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04-04-2016, 10:18 AM	#32
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,499	Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly For that matter there is a reason San Diego moved on Brees too! skymike and dizzle88 like this.
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04-04-2016, 02:30 PM	#33
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,725	Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly Originally Posted by CheramieIII Re-signed: FB Austin Johnson, CB Kyle Wilson, G Senio Kelemete, TEMichael Hoomanawanui, K Kai Forbath, RB Travaris Cadet, QB Luke McCown, S Jamarca Sanford, TE Josh Hill Cadet infuriates me but the coaches seem to love him. Signed: TE Coby Fleener, LB Nathan Stupar, LB James Laurinaitis, LB Craig Robertson, DT Nick Fairley, K Josh Scobee, Nick Fairley Lost/cut: S Rafael Bush, TE Benjamin Watson, G Jahri Evans, LB David Hawthorne, LB Ramon Humber, WR Seantavius Jones, WR Marques Colston, CB Brandon Browner, RB Khiry Robinson If you look at what we lost and gained I think that the front office did very good maybe a B- and here's why: Linebackers - we lost Humber and Hawthorne but gained Lauranitis, Stupar and Robertson. Good trade off in my opinion. Laurinitis>Anthony(at MLB'er) Stupar=Humber Stupar and Robertson improves our depth tremendously. imho TE - we lost Watson but gained Fleenor and re-signed Hoomanawanui and retained Hill. GREAT in my opinion. Fleener has a ton of upside with Drew throwing to him. Hill is average at best but I like Houman. RB - we lost Robinson but re-signed Cadet and are talking to Hightower about re-signing and that will be a GREAT win in my opinion. We will sign Hightower. I will miss Robinson and I'm sick that Cadet is wasting another roster spot......he won't continue to contribute like he did when he rejoined the team late last year. I'm hoping we re-sign Hightower. Fingers crossed. WR - we lost Colston and Jones who but Cooks, Snead and Coleman are ready to take over. We could use someone like Boldin that's not afraid to go over the middle. Good move in my opinion. We will get another receiver like Colston before the season starts. Look for it in the later rounds of the draft. Coach is good at picking gems in the late rounds. Right now we only have Fleener to work the middle. We need another big body to take Colston's snaps across the middle. We also need a burner to complete the Hendereson/Meachem roole. CB - we lost Browner. What loss? He was Browner than burnt toast! We re-signed Wilson and will get 1 or 2 more in the draft. Good in my opinion. If last years rookies can contribute and Lewis is healthy we will be alright at corner. But if we have one corner go down we are in trouble with no depth on the roster. S - we lost Bush but re-signed Sanford and signed Eric Dixon. Good trade in my opinion. We will get one more before the season starts. Nelson or Whitener since his release from Cleveland would both be great additions. Kicker - we signed Scobee and he will replace Forbath for sure. Great move in my opinion. Guard - we lost Evans but re-signed Clemente and will move Peat to LG and this position will be addressed in the draft probably 3rd round. Below Average in my opinion. We have Kelemete or Lelito to fill the RG spot with decent depth. I don't want to have Peat playing LG. That means we dropped the ball and he has to play there. We need 3rd or fourth round draft pick at LG to step up and start right away. We may spend another draft pick here as well. FB - retaining Austin is a win. I really think that Houman gets of his snaps QB - we re-signed McCown and will eventually restructure Drew to free up a lot more cap space. Good in my opinion. Defensive Line - we signed Fairley which is a fairly decent move but still need to address the Defensive Line and we will with Jarran Reed or A'Shaun in the first and a hulk of a DT or stand up DE in the 2nd. We will get either Shaq Lawson from Clemson or Calhoun from Michigan State. If Billings from Baylor falls to us in the 2nd, Correa DE/OLB Boise State or Howard CB Baylor we will grab one. Good in my opinion. Adding Fairley is a B+ if only for value. and guys and gals we still have 3.3 million in cap space with Drew's restructure left. GREAT IN MY OPINION. B- is my final offer! Well thought out my friend! CheramieIII likes this.

04-04-2016, 04:38 PM	#34
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04-04-2016, 04:50 PM	#35
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Exactly how is Scobee a great signing and he should beat out Forbath? he's old and there's a reason Jacksonville moved on. Scobee hit 86.7% on field goals and Forbath hit 69.2. About the only way that isn't a ton better is if you use the new common core math! lol It's amazing after all I posted you picked out the kickers? lol

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04-04-2016, 04:51 PM	#36
CheramieIII Fan Since 1967 Join Date: May 2004 Location: Nomad Posts: 7,457 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly Originally Posted by WillSaints81 Scobee isn't any better as he missed fgs himself. I can't envision Scobee having a turnaround just because he could be on a winning team. That's like throwing darts at a dartboard. When a kicker starts falling, that's it. Again, Scobee hit 86.7% on field goals and Forbath hit 69.2. About the only way that isn't a ton better is if you use the new common core math! lol It's amazing after all I posted you picked out the kickers? lol

04-04-2016, 05:25 PM	#37
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly Originally Posted by CheramieIII Scobee hit 86.7% on field goals and Forbath hit 69.2. About the only way that isn't a ton better is if you use the new common core math! lol It's amazing after all I posted you picked out the kickers? lol How many FGs did Scobee miss last year? You really believe Scobee is gonna be Hartley 2.0? I don't see it. Either way, Scobee is not going to be a game saver for us. I just don't see it. Forbath can at least make the 50 yard FGs. Scobee may have passed that point now. This is the one signing I hated, as I wanted a young kicker late in the draft like the next Tucker or Succop.

04-04-2016, 05:51 PM	#38
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly He missed them in Pittsburgh, almost every kicker sucks kicking in Pittsburgh. If Scobee can turn back the clock, maybe they have finally found a kicker

04-04-2016, 06:58 PM	#39
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly For what one season? He's near retirement. I don't thnk he's as good as Viniaterri.

04-04-2016, 09:06 PM	#40
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Bottom of the Barrel: Saints Off Season Moves Grade Poorly I decided to do some comparisons here............ Scobee vs Forbath in same environments @Philadelphia Scobee(2014 week 1) 1/3 for 49, missed 50 and 36 blocked Forbath(2014 week 3) 2/3 for 44 and 49, missed 33 @Washington Scobee(2014 week 2) 1/1 for 36 Forbath(all season 2014 at home) 10/12 for highs of 42, 27, 31, 25, and 25. He had no FG opportinities against two teams and the two he missed was against the same team, week 11 vs TB. @Indy Scobee(2014 week 12) 1/1 for 28 Scobee(2013 week 17) 1/1 for 37 Forbath(2014 week 13) 2/2 for a high of 29 @Houston Scobee(2014 week 17) 1/2 for 53, missed 51(hit left upright) Scobee(2013 week 12) 2/3 for 30 and 53, had 49 blocked Forbath(2014 week 1) 0/0 missed XP(it should be noted he didn't miss a XP rest of season) Forbath(2015 week 12) 2/2 for 30 and 57 @Denver Scobee(2013 week 6) 2/2 for 50 and 30 Forbath(2013 week 8) 0/0 @Minnesota Scobee(2012 week 1) 3/3 for 19, 27, and 47, had xp blocked) Forbath(2013 week 10) 2/2 for 20 and 40 @Pittsburgh Scobee(2015 week 4) we already know Forbath(2012 week 8) 2/2 for 48 and 45, missed XP @Cleveland Scobee(2013 week 13) 3/3 for 44, 36, and 25 Forbath(2012 week 14) 1/1 for 44 Last year Scobee was 3/7 at home yes. Scobee, however, has never kicked here. He was injured in 2007. With that aside those atmospheres consists of places Scobee has kicked since 2010 that Forbath also has and it's a no-brainer, Forbath is better on the road. We're looking at just our home stats, well we shouldn't be grinding games out at home to begin with. Btw Forbath in 2014 was 88.9 for Washington. How did he suddenly do bad for us? Could it be our special teams?

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