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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I still believe this team has the talent to win it all. BUT not with this staff. But DT/RT/and an OLB (or MLB if we move Watson outside Billy!) are obviously lacking. True and accurate observation. One of the MAJOR ...

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Old 03-02-2005, 11:22 AM   #11
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I still believe this team has the talent to win it all. BUT not with this staff.
But DT/RT/and an OLB (or MLB if we move Watson outside Billy!) are obviously lacking.
True and accurate observation. One of the MAJOR weaknesses that the Saints have is NOT on the field, but in the front office. LOOMBOOM is, has been, and will be a joke and will continue to make the same stupid, senseless mistakes that have been going on for the past 3 years that he has been at the helm as GM.

What I fail to understand is how we had \"tons of cap room\" last year and now we face a problem. What has changed? What is going to happen is that LoomBoom is going to futz around and aggrevate Deuce, and placate Leon. We need to address BOTH tackle positions on both sides of the ball. Trade, cut, or discard Sullivan, Riley, and Gandy for people who want to play. Draft some decent LB at any position and strap it on.

But, as long as we have LoomBoom running the show, we will continue to strive for those 8-8 seasons that we all love so much, with a 4 game winning streak at the end, only to be shut out by someone with a 9-7 record, and we\'ll start the *****ing and moaning all over again. Baloney!!!1 :casstet:
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Old 03-02-2005, 11:57 AM   #12
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The free-agency period gets started today. Some teams don\'t need a whole lot ... like the Eagles. But, for others, it\'s an opportunity to really improve their team(s)!

But, what about the New Orleans Saints? Hmmm....

Well, according to Mickey Loomis, the Saints don\'t need a whole lot and plan to only \"target\" a few selected veteran players!

Surprising?
Not in the slightest .

The Copy Cat Coach Hasbeen is determined to follow the path of those who have held the Lombardi .This despite the fact he does not have the players , the system or the assistant coaches the Pats have .

Until the Pats fall and a new champion is crowned for Hasbeen to copy , were stuck here going around in circles ....
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SIG UPDATE, K?

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I still believe this team has the talent to win it all. BUT not with this staff. This staff will require we be MUCH better talent wise than most other teams. When I look at GLARING weaknesses I don\'t see many. I see most of our players as average to above average, with just a few below average.
But with Haz and Venturi that translates to 8-8. With a quality coaching staff that translate to 10 plus wins and serious playoff contenders.
Danno - couldn\'t said it better myself... though I have tried.
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Old 03-02-2005, 01:12 PM   #14
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So, WhoDat, you think this team has enough talent to win it all, do ya?

You want to talk about flip-flopping?

You\'ve done nothing but criticize Haslett for getting bums on this team. But, now, suddenly, you think we have enough talent to \"win it all\'.

Let\'s see ...

Jonathan Sullivan, Tebucky Jones, Jay Bellamy, Fakir Brown, Colby Bockwoldt, Countney Watson, James Allen ... Yeah, any coach can win the super bowl with those guys.

Don\'t ever call me a flip-flopper again ... :P

What exactly is your stance?

1. We\'ve got enough talent?
2. We don\'t have enough talent?

Just checkin\'... I\'m sure you\'ll come up with SOMETHING.

What kinda flip-flops you got on? :P :P :P

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Old 03-02-2005, 01:32 PM   #15
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What exactly is your stance?

1. We\'ve got enough talent?
2. We don\'t have enough talent?
My stance is the same now that it was after the 2001 season. There is enough talent on this team for it to make the playoffs every season. There is enough young talent that, if we had a coach that could aid in player development, we could be a contender. Even without young players developing, the talent exists on the team for this team to go to the Super Bowl, ASSUMING that the team upgrade at a few key positions. In the past, I said DT, LB, CB, S. (4 players). This year it\'s more like LB, OT, LB, S, DT. (5 players).

So again, this team has the talent to get to the playoffs and has had it for 4 years. It is a few key players AND NEW COACHING STAFF away from being a true contender.Our coaching staff does a fairly poor job of developing talent, allows players to underachieve and play undisciplined and inconsistent ball like I\'ve never seen, and the FO goes after the wrong FAs EVERY offseason and can\'t bring in true talent despite huge amounts of free cap space every year. Is that clear enough or should I spell it out more?

Don\'t even try Bill - I don\'t hold a candle to you in the beachware industry.

[Edited on 2/3/2005 by WhoDat]

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Old 03-02-2005, 01:53 PM   #16
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Quote by WhoDat:
My stance is the same now that it was after the 2001 season. There is enough talent on this team for it to make the playoffs every season.
Quote by Danno:
I still believe this team has the talent to win it all.

Quote by WhoDat:
Danno - couldn\'t said it better myself... though I have tried.
First of all .... Which is it?

First you say this team has enough talent to make it to the playoffs every year. **flip**

Then you say we have enough talent to WIN IT ALL! **flop**

Another thing, in numerous threads, which I don\'t care to pull up, you have \"consistently\" talked about the lack of talent on this team and how Haslett has brought in \"bums\" like Tebucky Jones, James Allen, Orlando Ruff, Victor Riley, Ashley Ambrose, etc., ect... ***flip***

Seems like you\'re \"double-dipping\" in the bashing departement, WhoDat. ***flop***

In one breath, you criticize Haslett to no end about the players he has signed.*flip*

Then in the next breath you say we have enough talent to win it all!! *flop*

Then you \"crawfish\" your way out of that statement and say we have enough talent to \"only\" make it to the playoffs.

And when you add it all up it = \"flip-flop*

You might look good in a 3-peice suit, but those flip-flops are ruining it for you..... LMAO! HA! LOL



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Old 03-02-2005, 04:47 PM   #17
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Nice try again Bill.

I said I believe that this team has the talent to go to the playoffs and is a few key players away from being a super bowl contender. I agreed in general with a post of Danno\'s that was mostly focused at the coaching staff\'s inability to convert our talent into real contention, and the fact that we only have a few glaring needs. So you quote DANNO (out of context) and then quote me to suggest that at one point I said this team had enough talent to go to the playoffs, and at another time I agreed with a conditional statement of SOMEONE ELSE that suggests we have enough talent to go to the Super Bowl. Playoffs vs. Super Bowl.... yikes, I\'m really on both sides of the fence there! Whew... that\'s nothing like you saying on Monday, \"I like the way this team is headed in the offseason,\" and then coming back Wednesday and saying essentially, \"I DON\'T like the way this team is headed in FA.\"


In one breath, you criticize Haslett to no end about the players he has signed.*flip*

Then in the next breath you say we have enough talent to win it all!! *flop*
Yes Billy, I know it\'s hard for you to understand, but it\'s really a fairly simple concept. I am criticizing Haslett and the FO for failing to ADEQUATELY ADDRESS the NEEDS at THE SAME FOUR OR FIVE positions EVERY year since they\'ve been here. Is that statement straight forward enough, or do I need to draw you a picture.

But I understand what this is. It\'s the usual, Bill say A, Billy comes back and says he objects to A, someone calls Billy on it, Billy tries to \"flip\" the script and show that the person who pointed out Billy\'s flip flop is really a peddler of beachware himself.

You got me Billy. In one breath I say that this team has talent and in the next I agree with someone else who says this team has a lot of talent. Oh no, my credibility is shot! Good thing you exposed me. Now people will listen to you when you say, I like where this team is going, I don\'t like where this team is going... and soon to come I\'m sure... WhoDat, I told you this offseason I liked where this team was going... until the collapse when you\'ll say, \"I said in March that this team was headed in the wrong direction!\" You take twice as many positions as I do and still end up right less of the time. Riddle me how that happens Chach.

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WhoDat -- I don\'t know .....

The picture you\'re painting is getting kinda blurry!!

On one hand ... You say we need another quarterback, right tackle, left tackle, wide receiver, tightend, weakside linebacker, strongside linebacker, middle linebacker, cornerback, free safety and strong saftey.

Then on the other hand ... You say we have the talent to be a playoff team and even agreed with Danno that we had enough talent to win a super bowl.

On one hand ... You say Haslett needs to be agressive in free-agency and there are \"numerous\" holes on this team that needs to be filled.

On the other hand ... You say this is a playoff team and there\'s only a \"couple\" of holes that need to be filled.

I see all kind of holes that need to be filled, WhoDat. I see a defense with 3 linebackers that probably have no business starting. I see Tebucky Jones, who proabably has no business starting. I see a big need for a defensive tackle. I see a big need to replace an aging Jay Bellamy. That\'s almost the entire defense. How many of these players would be starting for the Pats? The Ravens? Buffalo?

Beachwear by WhoDat .... coming to a location near you soon... LMAO!






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