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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Recent history is only 2015 and that one looked good. Payton cleaned house on the major players in scouting and brought in Ireland for last year. These are not the same people in the draft room ...

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Old 05-01-2016, 05:29 PM   #111
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Recent history is only 2015 and that one looked good. Payton cleaned house on the major players in scouting and brought in Ireland for last year. These are not the same people in the draft room beyond Payton and Loomis and Loomis is a pencil pusher.
Too bad he didn't clean house on positional coaches

Offnsive line hasn't been there since Aaron Kromer left
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Old 05-01-2016, 06:42 PM   #112
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This is what Loomis had to say on why whathisname was drafted really early...

Can you talk about what you liked so much about David Onyemata?

“That is an interesting story. Obviously, you guys heard from him and got to know about the story now from his coach. We were really intrigued with his talent. We recognized that he wasn’t playing in an SEC school obviously, so there are some questions about the level of competition. Man, we like the traits and the talent. We liked the guy, the makeup of the player and we went aggressively to go get him. We had some information and I am pretty confident that he wouldn’t have been available to us if we would have stayed right where we were at. We’re excited to have him and I would say that we see some versatility in this player. We’re expecting some early contribution. This isn’t a guy that is just going to sit and not be productive for us. I think we expect some early contributions from him.”
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This is what Loomis had to say on why whathisname was drafted really early...
let's hope because we need the help
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Old 05-01-2016, 07:14 PM   #114
 
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This is what Loomis had to say on why whathisname was drafted really early...
OnyoMaMa gonna slap some mama OL!
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Old 05-01-2016, 07:24 PM   #115
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This is what Loomis had to say on why whathisname was drafted really early...
Can you talk about what you liked so much about David Onyemata?

We had some information and I am pretty confident that he wouldn’t have been available to us if we would have stayed right where we were at. We’re excited to have him and I would say that we see some versatility in this player. We’re expecting some early contribution. This isn’t a guy that is just going to sit and not be productive for us. I think we expect some early contributions from him.”

I like the explanation of why we drafted the individual, but the position is what I still don't get. You go DT first round, have already signed Fairley, and still have Jenkins, who, while not a bright spot, din't suck as bad as everyone else.
If Loomis and SP knew that the slew of UDFA guards would be available, then they are either lucky or geniuses
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Old 05-01-2016, 07:41 PM   #116
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Can you talk about what you liked so much about David Onyemata?

We had some information and I am pretty confident that he wouldn’t have been available to us if we would have stayed right where we were at. We’re excited to have him and I would say that we see some versatility in this player. We’re expecting some early contribution. This isn’t a guy that is just going to sit and not be productive for us. I think we expect some early contributions from him.”

I like the explanation of why we drafted the individual, but the position is what I still don't get. You go DT first round, have already signed Fairley, and still have Jenkins, who, while not a bright spot, din't suck as bad as everyone else.
If Loomis and SP knew that the slew of UDFA guards would be available, then they are either lucky or geniuses
I'm going with both mostly genius seasoned with a little bit of luck...
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And Fairley/Jenkins both have to be re-signed after this year, so that adds to the reason of going DT in the first...
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Damn some of you like to whine about nothing.
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Old 05-01-2016, 08:32 PM   #119
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I think everyone has lost site of what the Saints were like 40 years ago. I'm just glad we have a DT or 2.
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Old 05-01-2016, 10:12 PM   #120
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I am not sold on Rankins, I like the two second rounders, no idea why we needed to give up next years 5th for this guy. Clearly hope I am way wrong and everyone is a stud, but our recent draft history, specifically having 3 players left on the roster from the '11,'12, and '14 draft is downright scary.

Although none of us may be in the know, the recent draft history points to the fact that the people in the draft room aren't too much in the know them damn selves.
Excluding the sentiment on Rankins, this pretty much sums up my feelings on the draft, spkb25.

I think Rankins is going to be a good player for us. Maybe not All-Pro, but he's a real competitor and has a lot of talent. Only thing preventing him from being All-Pro is his size.

Although I wasn't thrilled with the Thomas pick, I do think it's a solid pick and I know why we made it. I saw a stat that he had something like the third lowest drop rate (~8%) in college football last year. He's got good hands, good route runner, decent speed. Good match with Cooks.

I like the Bell pick a lot. We need safety help and he seems to be a playmaker. Thumbs up on this one.

In sum, I think we got better at DT, WR, and S. Good stuff, but those certainly weren't our only needs.

The third day of the draft just pissed me off... I've thought for several years that it seems the Saints decision makers overthink things. Maybe they think they're smarter than everybody else because they've drafted some success stories out of smaller schools. But they always seem to go in a different direction than what appears to be logical fits. I thought OG and speed rushing OLB/DE were serious needs, maybe could have used a CB... and they didn't address any of them. Instead they went for a guy who may not contribute this year. He may end up being like an Anthony Hargrove, guy who can play inside and outside but he's certainly not a speed rusher by any means. Maybe he'll be a good player... but the fact that he has only played ball for four years, and all of that in Canada, tells me he's got a lot of work ahead of him. Not only did we draft him, we traded next year's fifth round pick away to do so. Did we really think that this guy was that much better than a guy we could have taken in the fifth round at a position of need? There were several offensive linemen still on the board in the 5th that I would have preferred over this guy, and we could have kept next year's pick.

The seventh round pick just seemed like a throw away... did we really need another RB? Going into the draft I thought RB was arguably our least needed position. I just don't get these guys.

Yes, I know I'm not paid to be a professional scout and those guys are... but the draft success of this team has been awful for many years (check this out: National Football League: NFL Draft History - by Team ; 2014 is LOL bad). I hope Onyemata and Lasco turn out well, but just seems like we had a chance to at least try to address serious positions of need and just dgaf. Our OL is ****ty and we still don't have anybody who can consistently rush the passer (25th last year in sacks). Perhaps we'll make some good signings before the season starts, but we've got so much damned dead money on our books we're pretty limited in what we can do there. I just think the FO has lost the mojo they had from several years back.
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