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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by CheramieIII Won't lose site of where we came from because the future depends on it. For the players, the coaches and the front office. It impacts who we are, how we think, what we believe, how we ...

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Old 05-08-2016, 09:14 AM   #151
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Originally Posted by CheramieIII View Post
Won't lose site of where we came from because the future depends on it. For the players, the coaches and the front office.

It impacts who we are, how we think, what we believe, how we interact with others, what we think is possible for ourselves, whether we view the world as good or bad, what we strive for. Our history—our upbringing—impacts everything we think and believe and do.

It's is impossible to know where to go without reflecting on your past. Understanding our heritage and our roots are a very important part of carving out our future.

Melissa Joy • Never Forget Where You Came From.

This excerpt is from Melissa Joy and a damn good one!

You can forget the past if you want to but I for one will never forget it and will remember it to motivate everyone in the future.
You do realize this is a discussion about football, right? Comparing one's heritage to a football organization which has players who are not in any way related to the players who stunk up the joint in the past, is kind of far fetched, in my opinion.

But more than that, here's where you're really missing my point. I didn't say "forget" the past. Unless you have amnesia, you can't forget that, nor can you "choose" to forget. I asked how long you want us to look 40 years into the past. Meaning, how long before we can stop judging this team based on those teams, in your opinion?

It's fine to remember the past, but you have to move on from it. You're right in one sense... When you say it should be used as motivation. Absolutely. That means not settling for mediocrity, simply because "well, we've had worse". That's the overwhelming sentiment I get from people who constantly use that tired old line, as I described it earlier.

THIS is not THEN. That's the point I'm trying to get across.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 05-08-2016, 09:24 AM   #152
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It's no different from the constant racial issues that go on today, because you have those that want to judge white people based on what some bad people used to do.

I sure don't want to be judged by that. I'd rather people move on (not forget) from that and quit acting like someone did them wrong, accept that things are much different than they used to be, and learn to expect better instead of assuming I must be a racist. Not that every black person I meet treats me that way, because they don't, but we all know it happens more than it should.

That's not really a good comparison to football, either, but as long as we're going to turn this into a deep, heritage kind of discussion, I thought I'd throw that example in there.
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Old 05-08-2016, 09:44 AM   #153
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-Rankins is penciled in as a starter. We'll see. What worries me is all the "buzz" about the guy was from Senior Bowl drills and combine drills. Not about his actual play on the field.

-Thomas has the size and skills to translate well in the NFL. With a real QB like Brees, he could have a special year.

-Bell will contribute in coverage, which is much needed, and will be given a chance to be the everyday starter in the future. He's not very big and doesn't tackle especially well though.

-Onyemata is a big, strong, athlete. His limited experience in the game and lack of competition against equally talented guys is very concerning. The Saints took a flyer on defense in the 4th. With guys like DT's Billings and Reader, OG's Westerman and Drango, CB Hall, RB's Dixon and Booker, and QB Jones going afterwards, I think they could have done better.

-Lasco is very talented and fits the Saints scheme. But, if he sees the field this year, it will be because he was a steal or a lot of bad things happened to the RB corps. If offense was the direction, WR's Peake or Lawler were better choices in my opinion.

UDFA - There's lots of potential here. Allen and Turner are almost locks to make the team. I personally like Pettway, Elston, Harris, Houma, Dillon, Mathews, Tovell and Young.
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Old 05-08-2016, 10:17 AM   #154
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-Rankins is penciled in as a starter. We'll see. What worries me is all the "buzz" about the guy was from Senior Bowl drills and combine drills. Not about his actual play on the field.

-Thomas has the size and skills to translate well in the NFL. With a real QB like Brees, he could have a special year.

-Bell will contribute in coverage, which is much needed, and will be given a chance to be the everyday starter in the future. He's not very big and doesn't tackle especially well though.

-Onyemata is a big, strong, athlete. His limited experience in the game and lack of competition against equally talented guys is very concerning. The Saints took a flyer on defense in the 4th. With guys like DT's Billings and Reader, OG's Westerman and Drango, CB Hall, RB's Dixon and Booker, and QB Jones going afterwards, I think they could have done better.

-Lasco is very talented and fits the Saints scheme. But, if he sees the field this year, it will be because he was a steal or a lot of bad things happened to the RB corps. If offense was the direction, WR's Peake or Lawler were better choices in my opinion.

UDFA - There's lots of potential here. Allen and Turner are almost locks to make the team. I personally like Pettway, Elston, Harris, Houma, Dillon, Mathews, Tovell and Young.
Good stuff but I disagree a tad on a couple of things. Over the last 2 years Rankins graded out better than every NCAA DT except for Aaron Donald. He didn't just show up on the radar after the Senior Bowl.

Oneyamata is a great risk/reward pick in the 4th. We desperately need front 7 help. Its possible that everyone else left at that point graded no better than what we already have at DE/DT. He may not be ready right away, but the payoff is worth the wait if he continues to develop as expected. We didn't just send scouts his pro-day. We sent our D-line coach, who stayed afterwards working with him, giving him tips, and getting to know what type of person he is.

And Lasco, from what I've read, can be a great special teams contributor as well as a weapon at back-up RB. He may be an upgrade to Murphy and might push Spiller for playing time.


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Old 05-08-2016, 12:27 PM   #155
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Guys, our new draft picks will be fine!! Rankins will help our interior run and pass defense. Thomas will keep the offense humming at full potential, Bell will help the back 7 and Lasco will increase our special teams production. Stop being negative nancy's!! We rock The Black and Gold not the cowgirl silver.
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Old 05-08-2016, 12:27 PM   #156
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You do realize this is a discussion about football, right? Comparing one's heritage to a football organization which has players who are not in any way related to the players who stunk up the joint in the past, is kind of far fetched, in my opinion.

But more than that, here's where you're really missing my point. I didn't say "forget" the past. Unless you have amnesia, you can't forget that, nor can you "choose" to forget. I asked how long you want us to look 40 years into the past. Meaning, how long before we can stop judging this team based on those teams, in your opinion?

It's fine to remember the past, but you have to move on from it. You're right in one sense... When you say it should be used as motivation. Absolutely. That means not settling for mediocrity, simply because "well, we've had worse". That's the overwhelming sentiment I get from people who constantly use that tired old line, as I described it earlier.

THIS is not THEN. That's the point I'm trying to get across.
I get what you are saying, but I am just of a philosophy that criticizing or basically *****ing and moaning about what goes on with the front office of the Saints is a nonproductive waste of time. I, like the vast majority of fans, know that nothing we say has any affect on what happens with our Saints. Most of us choose to simply enjoy it for what it is ... entertainment. Of course, the more we win the more entertaining it becomes. I remember when three out of four years with a 7-9 record would have been regarded as a winning streak. Do I wish for more? Of course, but why get bent out of shape over it if there is nothing I, or any other fan, can do about it.

What happens with the team will happen and I for one get tired of so much negativity. There seems to be more in recent years than back in the heyday. I'm sure that has to do with heightened expectations, but it still seems to me to be a waste of time and energy to be so critical about something that is completely out of ones control.

People sometimes call me a homer and accuse me of wearing rose colored glasses. I say, fine. I see nothing wrong with either of those things.

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Guys, our new draft picks will be fine!! Rankins will help our interior run and pass defense. Thomas will keep the offense humming at full potential, Bell will help the back 7 and Lasco will increase our special teams production. Stop being negative nancy's!! We rock The Black and Gold not the cowgirl silver.
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Old 05-08-2016, 01:07 PM   #158
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watching top undrafted players and they just went through John Randle. He was about the same size as Rankins.
Yeah, and he was a holy terror.
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They didn't draft the guy I wanted.

I hate it I hate it I hate it!
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