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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Hicks was a monster until injuries took their toll. You can never predict injury. Bull crap, 'Guido. Hicks was never anything close to a "monster" and has had no more injuries then any typical player....

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Old 04-30-2016, 03:47 PM   #61
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Hicks was a monster until injuries took their toll. You can never predict injury.
Bull crap, 'Guido. Hicks was never anything close to a "monster" and has had no more injuries then any typical player.
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Old 04-30-2016, 03:52 PM   #62
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Exactly how many busts did they have last year after dumping half of their scouting department? If I am not mistaken every pick is still on roster.
I said the amount of busts every year. That's referring to all teams. Meaning that just because a team selects a player, doesn't make it the right choice. As for last year's draft? Two didn't play, so who knows with them, and one (Davidson) barely played. And Peat was a pick I couldn't stand, and he did not look good. It's kind of dumb to use last year's draft as an example after one year. I'm hopeful for a lot of those players, but we haven't seen much of them yet.
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 04-30-2016, 03:54 PM   #63
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Hicks was a monster until injuries took their toll. You can never predict injury.
48 games, 119 tackles 6.5 sacks.

Cam Jordan 47 games, 153 tackles, 23.5 sacks.

I am not going to say Hicks set the world on fire
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Bull crap, 'Guido. Hicks was never anything close to a "monster" and has had no more injuries then any typical player.
Didn't he end '14 on IR? The monster label was from his teammates. If I remember right he was very solid in '13 then was hampered by an ankle though most of '14. The crap on him came out in '15. He had the talent, but I guess you're right. They missed that. That was probably a big reason for the house cleaning in the scouting department.
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Didn't he end '14 on IR? The monster label was from his teammates.
JR was a team captain
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48 games, 119 tackles 6.5 sacks.

Cam Jordan 47 games, 153 tackles, 23.5 sacks.

I am not going to say Hicks set the world on fire
You're right. He looked so good at times. Too bad he was a psycho.
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Old 04-30-2016, 03:59 PM   #67
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To you and I he may appear to be unproven. We have no where near the information on him as they do. Trading up to get him without a very firm belief in his ability would be stupid. These franchises spend dozens of hours on players they are planning on targeting where the rest of us cannot find more than 20 minutes worth of information on the web.
Of course they believe in him. That doesn't make them right. Just like I could be wrong... or right. He is nevertheless unproven. You seem to lack definition of certain words like "project" and "unproven". I don't care if the Saints have watched this guy sleep every night, eat in the morning, practice, take a dump and shower... Until you play somebody, you are unproven.

Myles Jack and Jaylon Jones were selected in the second round, despite the fact that they may never fully recover. Does that sound like teams doing homework, or hoping for the best? What's my point? You are naive if you think teams don't operate on gut feelings as much as film, when they see an athletic player.

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Old 04-30-2016, 04:01 PM   #68
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Didn't he end '14 on IR? The monster label was from his teammates. If I remember right he was very solid in '13 then was hampered by an ankle though most of '14. The crap on him came out in '15. He had the talent, but I guess you're right. They missed that. That was probably a big reason for the house cleaning in the scouting department.
Yes, after he had already proven he couldn't produce. Every year was hype, followed by nothing. As for cleaning house. It remains to be seen what that did. Too early to tell.
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Of course they believe in him. That doesn't make them right. Just like I could be wrong... or right. He is nevertheless unproven. You seem to lack definition of certain words like "project" and "unproven". I don't care if the Saints have watched this guy sleep every night, eat in the morning, practice, take a dump and shower... Until you play somebody, you are unproven.

Myles Jack and Jaylon Jones were selected in the second round, despite the fact that they may never fully recover. Does that sound like teams doing homework, or hoping for the best? What's my point? You are naive if you think teams don't operate on gut feelings as much as film, when they see an athletic player.
Sure they do. You can't hit a home run unless you give it a powerful swing. If they feel like he can be great then why not take the shot.
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Old 04-30-2016, 04:03 PM   #70
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I said the amount of busts every year. That's referring to all teams. Meaning that just because a team selects a player, doesn't make it the right choice. As for last year's draft? Two didn't play, so who knows with them, and one (Davidson) barely played. And Peat was a pick I couldn't stand, and he did not look good. It's kind of dumb to use last year's draft as an example after one year. I'm hopeful for a lot of those players, but we haven't seen much of them yet.
Burning, you can't argue with that. He sits there and changes it to last year. How the hell can you evaluate the draft from last year right now, you can't. One of the players never played, williams, swann (who i really liked) has concussion issues, was it tull that didn't play or sat for a while too from injury. He conveniently alters it to last year to somehow remove the argument that (and we don't know about last year yet) 3 of the last 4 drafts have not been very good at all.

I am not saying this draft won't produce four really good players, but i can say that I am not sold on Rankins and thought the move back to the 4rth for the Nigerian Canuck doesn't seem to be a good one. Hope they are all good, hope I eat my words, but you can voice your displeasure, that is what the site is for

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