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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre Seriously? Bruce Arians vs Chuck Pagano, Sean Payton vs Mike Smith... Why do some players thrive with some coaches, tank with a new coach, sign a FA contract with old coach and have comeback player of ...

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Old 05-02-2016, 06:28 PM   #11
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Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year

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Seriously? Bruce Arians vs Chuck Pagano, Sean Payton vs Mike Smith...

Why do some players thrive with some coaches, tank with a new coach, sign a FA contract with old coach and have comeback player of the year type seasons?!?

Coaches have every bit to do with the success of a team as a player taking care of his health, having a good work ethic and keeping a positive mental attitude...
Seriously.
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Old 05-02-2016, 07:17 PM   #12
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I agree about coaching. Only way backups become stars. Without it the best players out there can do nothing. Buying into a system means alot. Selling one does to.And having a team of good coaches is key. We drafted well enough, addressed the D front with 2 picks( i think both can be nasty) got a S for the backfield and added a veteran ILB in FA to call plays. And the IR guys coming back. Now with this (paper) we see how these coaches do. Might get interesting?
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I agree about coaching. Only way backups become stars. Without it the best players out there can do nothing. Buying into a system means alot. Selling one does to.And having a team of good coaches is key. We drafted well enough, addressed the D front with 2 picks( i think both can be nasty) got a S for the backfield and added a veteran ILB in FA to call plays. And the IR guys coming back. Now with this (paper) we see how these coaches do. Might get interesting?
When we see the IR list going into the season.
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Old 05-02-2016, 08:14 PM   #14
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I just don't see drafting a position just for drafting a position...

If you have players rated that are higher even if they are a RB you take the RB over the guard.

A interesting to point is that there were OG's rated has high by some in the 4th round and 32 teams past on them not once but 3 plus times and we got them as UDFA. So either they were right and so were we for not drafting them and just getting them as UDFA.
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I just don't see drafting a position just for drafting a position...

If you have players rated that are higher even if they are a RB you take the RB over the guard.

A interesting to point is that there were OG's rated has high by some in the 4th round and 32 teams past on them not once but 3 plus times and we got them as UDFA. So either they were right and so were we for not drafting them and just getting them as UDFA.
You just gave a perfect example of the economic principle of supply and demand. Why pay a certain price for a commodity that is abundant when you can spend the same amount on a different commodity that you may not need as badly, but is much harder to find? You can always pick up an example of the more abundant commodity later for a lessor price.

While the Saints may have had guard at a high priority, the combination of the abundance of guards available and the overall lack of demand across the rest of the league gave them the opportunity to get what they needed at a far lower risk.
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You just gave a perfect example of the economic principle of supply and demand. Why pay a certain price for a commodity that is abundant when you can spend the same amount on a different commodity that you may not need as badly, but is much harder to find? You can always pick up an example of the more abundant commodity later for a lessor price.

While the Saints may have had guard at a high priority, the combination of the abundance of guards available and the overall lack of demand across the rest of the league gave them the opportunity to get what they needed at a far lower risk.
So, by that rationale, why did we take an interior defensive tackle in the first when we could have taken a WR like Treadwell or Doctson in the first, taken Jarran Reed in the second round, or just taken Vonn Bell in the second (limited Safeties and apparently we have greater need than realized) and taken a interior lineman in the third round?

Some fine interior linemen were still available as late as the fifth round...
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Coaching has a bigger effect in the NFL than other sports. NBA not so much with teams with divas.
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For fun I went back and found what the consensus was on our 2006 draft. Its pretty funny. Read the responses. Just proves that we are all on this forum and not with a football organization for a reason. (I'm looking at you Hagan..LOL)

http://blackandgold.com/saints/12598...valuation.html (Draft Evaluation)
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Re: I think we had a good one finally. Maybe even on par with last year

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So, by that rationale, why did we take an interior defensive tackle in the first when we could have taken a WR like Treadwell or Doctson in the first, taken Jarran Reed in the second round, or just taken Vonn Bell in the second (limited Safeties and apparently we have greater need than realized) and taken a interior lineman in the third round?

Some fine interior linemen were still available as late as the fifth round...
Obviously his individual grade in their minds made him worth it. He was certainly worth more to them than all three that you mentioned. I wasn't there, of course, when they spent who knows how many hours and days compiling their list. I'll bet his upbringing and willingness to work played a major factor. The kid appears to have his priorities straight. He's the type of player that could make others around him better just by example.
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