Why not Delhomme?

WhoDat · 01-30-2003, 12:57 PM

Whoa, 08 I think you\'re a bit over the top here. First, with free agency like it is today, seeing 5 or more new starters on a team shouldn\'t come as a surprise. Second, most of the positions you\'re talking about are backups. Be realistic here. Go through each position:

QB - starter will be Brooks, backup may change... hope not.
RB - starter will be Deuce, backup may be added.
FB - likey to change if the reports about the Saints feelings on Smith are true.
WR - starters Horn and Stallworth, Pathon will probably still be around. May bring in one new guy to compete ar a number 3 receiver.
TE - Sloan will continue to start, they will probably draft someone to play in two TE sets.
OL - There will probably be a new left Tackle. Fontenot may retire which would reshuffle the line, but that would probably be done with existing players.

So, we\'re talking about one or two new starters on D with as many as five or so new faces making an impact... what team isn\'t in the situtation?

DT - There\'s no way that the Saints will get rid of both Grady and Norman, so probably count Jackson in. Add a new DT in free agency and/or the draft.
DE - Howard and Grant... anchors of the defense.
LB - they\'re talking about playing Hodge and Clemons outside, they\'ll probably sign a MLB in free agency. Maybe they sign an OLB too, so we\'ll say 2 LBs.
CB - Dale Carter is starting on one side. They\'re likely to draft another. Maybe they sign a FA, but I don\'t see them spending the money to get a prime timer. So it will be a competition for the number 2 spot between whoever they bring in, Thomas, and Craver.
S - Let\'s pray they pick someone up if Knight goes. Then you\'re likely to see Mel Mitchell, they love this kid, who at least was on the team last year. Bellamy may stay may go, who knows.

So you\'re talking about at most, a new starting DT, 2 LBs, a CB, and a safety. 5 new starters is a lot for one side of the ball, but it is very possible that a couple of those new starters could be existing Saints.

I just don\'t see it as building from the ground up. I think you\'ll see five or six guys who weren\'t Saints last year starting in spots this year... didn\'t we have about that many this past year? 3 new OL, 1 new WR, 1 new DT, 1 new DE, 1 new CB = 7 new starters.

JOESAM2002 · 01-30-2003, 01:37 PM

Don\'t be too surprised if the Saints go to a name corner back and middle linebacker. If you remember, last year before Carter came back they were looking into signing an experienced corner from the Eagles. We have the money, so don\'t be surprised.

[Edited on 30/1/2003 by JOESAM2002]

saintfan · 01-30-2003, 02:10 PM

Not too long ago everyone was saying the Patriots got it right. Now I haven\'t gone over their roster from two years ago with a fine tooth comb, but there were a lot of new additions to that team the year they won it all weren\'t there? Now everyone is saying we\'re going to be forced to add too much to have a chance at winning next year. Everyone is saying or insinuating the Saints won\'t have the continuity they\'ll need.

They\'ll rebuild the D allright, but they won\'t do it with Rookies. There will be a few changes on offense, but nothing that to me indicates anything close to rebuilding. In my opinion, re-building is what the Cowboys have been trying to do, and I don\'t see the Saints in that mode at all.

saintfan · 01-30-2003, 03:38 PM

Maybe I\'m being a little picky on words Gator. I\'m all for a \"rebuilt\" defense, but I don\'t think the team is rebuilding. Maybe it\'s just a language thing.

Either way, I agree that new faces won\'t necessarilly solve the Saints defensive problems, but we can\'t do much worse than we did last year on that side of the ball, so I\'m excited and as positive as I\'ll allow myself to be about \"rebuilding\" the defense.

billyh1026 · 01-30-2003, 04:11 PM

Saintfan, I am 100% in agreement with you. I don\'t want to replace a successful QB. I just want a successful QB. That\'s all. Give me one. That\'s all I\'m asking. I don\'t think that\'s too much to ask is it?

Seems to me that one of those \'couple of games\' you\'re talking about were pretty huge. I don\'t have any paticular one of them in mind either. So, feel free to pick one of the ones you\'re talking about. Any one of them....doesn\'t matter to me...you pick. If memory serves me right....one less of those losses would\'ve put us in the playoffs.

If a team (any team from Pop Warner to the NFL) has a QB who\'s performance is the \'featured reason\' for 1 loss...not such a big deal. But when the word loss turns plural for that reason, then there\'s a serious QB problem that needs to be addressed.

This offense can carry a decent QB most of the time...he doesn\'t have to carry it but every now and then. Enough of AB\'s decisions on the field leave a lot to be desired. Even a layman can see some of the things that he needs to do, but AB can\'t. Makes a person wonder.......

Agreed on the retooling part....then again, we\'ve been building since 1966......

And just my 2 cents on the Defense here...I think a new D Coordinator every year has a decent amount to do with the D not having so much D in it....

WhoDat · 01-30-2003, 04:45 PM

Billy - while I agree completely with you on the QB issue, I\'ll give you a little advice: speaking poorly of Aaron Brooks is not met warmly by Saintfan... take it from someone who knows a little about that.

I think Venturi is a HUGE part of the problem with the D, not necessarily the fact that the coordinator changes. Zook was around for a while before last year... the fact that they haven\'t done anything about Venturi makes me more nervous than anything else.

Finally, we must be in the twilight zone b/c again Saintfan and I are in total agreement. The word \"rebuilt\" is looked at so negatively, but really is it that bad. Saintfan talked about the Patties... what about the Rams, who had something like 8 new starters on defense two years ago when they played those Patriots in the Super Bowl. What about Tampa Bay and it\'s \"rebuilt\" offense this year? Look at how well our offense came together this year... there were a lot of changes. Continuity on defense is even easier. As long as they pick up some good vets, they\'ll get better... if not, it\'s one person\'s fault... Venturi\'s. It doesn\'t matter how great your players are if your coordinator is calling blitzes at the wrong times, has you team in the wrong coverage against an offense, or just overall plans poorly for a game.

saintz08 · 01-30-2003, 05:26 PM

Saints need :

Defensively

1 Corner - and one up and comer in reserve
2 Safeties - Bellamy is a iffy - Knight will option out
1 MLB - Clemmons is a joke
1 OLB - that if Allen is moved into the starting position
2 DT - The lunch bunch experiment is over

Offensively

2 Tackles - one wants out and one is iffy
1 Center - he optioned and might retire
1 Receiver and could be 2 if Horn trys to hold the team hostage

Back ups that might run are Whitehead , Delhomme and Cox . Off the top of my head .

That is 11 players on a 22 man starting team , not considering a nickelback .

50 % potential loses or cuts on the starting team .

JOESAM2002 · 01-30-2003, 05:35 PM

I got two words for ya. Ray Rhodes. I think he\'d be great as the defensive co-ordinator. :casstet:

saintz08 · 01-30-2003, 05:46 PM

How about Jim Mora jr.

Rumor has it that San Francisco is going to look past him for the Head Coach spot .

billyh1026 · 01-30-2003, 06:44 PM

I have a question. Actually, a request. When things are copied and pasted here that are entire articles or most of an article, etc, etc, can the poster please provide the link or at least give the author credit so we don\'t mistake it for original thoughts. I for one would appreciate it.

WhoDat....I could care less what other people think about what I post. If they agree good. If they don\'t their loss. I can\'t help it if they\'re wrong. I can only show\'em the train....I can\'t push\'em off the tracks.

I don\'t think Venturi\'s cut out to be a D Coordinator myself. Some stability, even in coaches, is needed tho.

HOLY CHRIST 08!! DO NOT DO THAT TO MY HEART! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DON\'T MENTION J.M. JR!!! I think he\'s a horrible D Coordinator......reminds me of hot Old Milwaukee. What we need to do is petition S.F. to keep him. Hell, I\'ll start a fund if need be!!

[Edited on 31/1/2003 by billyh1026]

01-30-2003, 12:57 PM	#31
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why not Delhomme? Whoa, 08 I think you\'re a bit over the top here. First, with free agency like it is today, seeing 5 or more new starters on a team shouldn\'t come as a surprise. Second, most of the positions you\'re talking about are backups. Be realistic here. Go through each position: QB - starter will be Brooks, backup may change... hope not. RB - starter will be Deuce, backup may be added. FB - likey to change if the reports about the Saints feelings on Smith are true. WR - starters Horn and Stallworth, Pathon will probably still be around. May bring in one new guy to compete ar a number 3 receiver. TE - Sloan will continue to start, they will probably draft someone to play in two TE sets. OL - There will probably be a new left Tackle. Fontenot may retire which would reshuffle the line, but that would probably be done with existing players. So, we\'re talking about one or two new starters on D with as many as five or so new faces making an impact... what team isn\'t in the situtation? DT - There\'s no way that the Saints will get rid of both Grady and Norman, so probably count Jackson in. Add a new DT in free agency and/or the draft. DE - Howard and Grant... anchors of the defense. LB - they\'re talking about playing Hodge and Clemons outside, they\'ll probably sign a MLB in free agency. Maybe they sign an OLB too, so we\'ll say 2 LBs. CB - Dale Carter is starting on one side. They\'re likely to draft another. Maybe they sign a FA, but I don\'t see them spending the money to get a prime timer. So it will be a competition for the number 2 spot between whoever they bring in, Thomas, and Craver. S - Let\'s pray they pick someone up if Knight goes. Then you\'re likely to see Mel Mitchell, they love this kid, who at least was on the team last year. Bellamy may stay may go, who knows. So you\'re talking about at most, a new starting DT, 2 LBs, a CB, and a safety. 5 new starters is a lot for one side of the ball, but it is very possible that a couple of those new starters could be existing Saints. I just don\'t see it as building from the ground up. I think you\'ll see five or six guys who weren\'t Saints last year starting in spots this year... didn\'t we have about that many this past year? 3 new OL, 1 new WR, 1 new DT, 1 new DE, 1 new CB = 7 new starters.
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01-30-2003, 01:37 PM	#32
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Why not Delhomme? Don\'t be too surprised if the Saints go to a name corner back and middle linebacker. If you remember, last year before Carter came back they were looking into signing an experienced corner from the Eagles. We have the money, so don\'t be surprised. [Edited on 30/1/2003 by JOESAM2002]

01-30-2003, 02:10 PM	#33
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? Not too long ago everyone was saying the Patriots got it right. Now I haven\'t gone over their roster from two years ago with a fine tooth comb, but there were a lot of new additions to that team the year they won it all weren\'t there? Now everyone is saying we\'re going to be forced to add too much to have a chance at winning next year. Everyone is saying or insinuating the Saints won\'t have the continuity they\'ll need. They\'ll rebuild the D allright, but they won\'t do it with Rookies. There will be a few changes on offense, but nothing that to me indicates anything close to rebuilding. In my opinion, re-building is what the Cowboys have been trying to do, and I don\'t see the Saints in that mode at all.
	C'mon Man...

01-30-2003, 03:38 PM	#34
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Why not Delhomme? Maybe I\'m being a little picky on words Gator. I\'m all for a \"rebuilt\" defense, but I don\'t think the team is rebuilding. Maybe it\'s just a language thing. Either way, I agree that new faces won\'t necessarilly solve the Saints defensive problems, but we can\'t do much worse than we did last year on that side of the ball, so I\'m excited and as positive as I\'ll allow myself to be about \"rebuilding\" the defense.

01-30-2003, 04:11 PM	#35
billyh1026 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	Why not Delhomme? Saintfan, I am 100% in agreement with you. I don\'t want to replace a successful QB. I just want a successful QB. That\'s all. Give me one. That\'s all I\'m asking. I don\'t think that\'s too much to ask is it? Seems to me that one of those \'couple of games\' you\'re talking about were pretty huge. I don\'t have any paticular one of them in mind either. So, feel free to pick one of the ones you\'re talking about. Any one of them....doesn\'t matter to me...you pick. If memory serves me right....one less of those losses would\'ve put us in the playoffs. If a team (any team from Pop Warner to the NFL) has a QB who\'s performance is the \'featured reason\' for 1 loss...not such a big deal. But when the word loss turns plural for that reason, then there\'s a serious QB problem that needs to be addressed. This offense can carry a decent QB most of the time...he doesn\'t have to carry it but every now and then. Enough of AB\'s decisions on the field leave a lot to be desired. Even a layman can see some of the things that he needs to do, but AB can\'t. Makes a person wonder....... Agreed on the retooling part....then again, we\'ve been building since 1966...... And just my 2 cents on the Defense here...I think a new D Coordinator every year has a decent amount to do with the D not having so much D in it....
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01-30-2003, 04:45 PM	#36
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Why not Delhomme? Billy - while I agree completely with you on the QB issue, I\'ll give you a little advice: speaking poorly of Aaron Brooks is not met warmly by Saintfan... take it from someone who knows a little about that. I think Venturi is a HUGE part of the problem with the D, not necessarily the fact that the coordinator changes. Zook was around for a while before last year... the fact that they haven\'t done anything about Venturi makes me more nervous than anything else. Finally, we must be in the twilight zone b/c again Saintfan and I are in total agreement. The word \"rebuilt\" is looked at so negatively, but really is it that bad. Saintfan talked about the Patties... what about the Rams, who had something like 8 new starters on defense two years ago when they played those Patriots in the Super Bowl. What about Tampa Bay and it\'s \"rebuilt\" offense this year? Look at how well our offense came together this year... there were a lot of changes. Continuity on defense is even easier. As long as they pick up some good vets, they\'ll get better... if not, it\'s one person\'s fault... Venturi\'s. It doesn\'t matter how great your players are if your coordinator is calling blitzes at the wrong times, has you team in the wrong coverage against an offense, or just overall plans poorly for a game.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

01-30-2003, 05:26 PM	#37
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Why not Delhomme? Saints need : Defensively 1 Corner - and one up and comer in reserve 2 Safeties - Bellamy is a iffy - Knight will option out 1 MLB - Clemmons is a joke 1 OLB - that if Allen is moved into the starting position 2 DT - The lunch bunch experiment is over Offensively 2 Tackles - one wants out and one is iffy 1 Center - he optioned and might retire 1 Receiver and could be 2 if Horn trys to hold the team hostage Back ups that might run are Whitehead , Delhomme and Cox . Off the top of my head . That is 11 players on a 22 man starting team , not considering a nickelback . 50 % potential loses or cuts on the starting team .
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	\"Americans play to win at all times. I wouldn\'t give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed.\" - George S. Patton On another note, I\'ll take a bite of that crow 08. - Saintfan Brooks is a moron!! - Halo

01-30-2003, 05:35 PM	#38
JOESAM2002 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: CRYSTAL BEACH TEXAS Posts: 4,100	Why not Delhomme? I got two words for ya. Ray Rhodes. I think he\'d be great as the defensive co-ordinator. :casstet:

01-30-2003, 05:46 PM	#39
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Why not Delhomme? How about Jim Mora jr. Rumor has it that San Francisco is going to look past him for the Head Coach spot .
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01-30-2003, 06:44 PM	#40
billyh1026 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	Why not Delhomme? I have a question. Actually, a request. When things are copied and pasted here that are entire articles or most of an article, etc, etc, can the poster please provide the link or at least give the author credit so we don\'t mistake it for original thoughts. I for one would appreciate it. WhoDat....I could care less what other people think about what I post. If they agree good. If they don\'t their loss. I can\'t help it if they\'re wrong. I can only show\'em the train....I can\'t push\'em off the tracks. I don\'t think Venturi\'s cut out to be a D Coordinator myself. Some stability, even in coaches, is needed tho. HOLY CHRIST 08!! DO NOT DO THAT TO MY HEART! PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE DON\'T MENTION J.M. JR!!! I think he\'s a horrible D Coordinator......reminds me of hot Old Milwaukee. What we need to do is petition S.F. to keep him. Hell, I\'ll start a fund if need be!! [Edited on 31/1/2003 by billyh1026]
billyh1026 100th Post Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 213	Dean Vernon Wormer: Mr. Hoover, president of Delta house? One point six; four C's and an F. A fine example you set! Daniel Simpson Day... HAS no grade point average. All courses incomplete. Mr. Blu - MR. BLUTARSKY... ZERO POINT ZERO. John 'Bluto' Blutarsky: Christ. Seven years of college down the drain. Might as well join the f@$%ing Peace Corps.