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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by CheramieIII Does anyone know his speed yet? At his workout he clocked at 4.4....

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Old 06-14-2016, 07:30 PM   #41
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Does anyone know his speed yet?
At his workout he clocked at 4.4.
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I'd be more sure of a 6-5, 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha...
Or a 6-3, 240 Davis Tull?
Or a 6-2, 253 Kasim Edebali?
Or a 6-2, 258 Junior Galette?
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I'd be more sure of a 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha...
Yeah not to mention Davis Tull has T Rex arms. However, we need Gwacham to look like Tarzan AND play like Tarzan so here's hoping he can bring it.
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I wouldn't rule out the smaller guys yet.
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I wouldn't rule out the smaller guys yet.
Definitely not... Tull is gonna put some serious heat on QB's this season. It's just good to know that one of the guys has the prototypical size; that won't matter though if he doesn't have the intensity.
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Definitely not... Tull is gonna put some serious heat on QB's this season. It's just good to know that one of the guys has the prototypical size; that won't matter though if he doesn't have the intensity.
Indeed. Kikaha brought the intensity, we'll definitely miss that this year. Hopeful for Gwachum though. We have a lot of new position coaches this year and if they can tap into the potential of guys like him and Onyemata we could have a freak nasty D-line in the next couple of years.
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Gwachum did play defensive end at Oregon State, RR moved him to outside linebacker.

He should feel right at home with the switch back to his favored position

And Gwachum benched 225 22 times to Kikaha's 20 pre-draft, and ran a 4.7 40 to Kikaha's 4.9...
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Definitely not... Tull is gonna put some serious heat on QB's this season. It's just good to know that one of the guys has the prototypical size; that won't matter though if he doesn't have the intensity.
Ever heard of sparq scores? Its supposed to be a combination of physical measurements and performance metrics from the combine. Its kinda like a QB rating but for all NFL prospects and I've heard its pretty accurate.

I don't know much about the details but I did read that Davis Tull ranked #1 out of all the edge players in the 2015 draft, despite his shorter arms.

I need to read more about it. Anyone else familiar with it?

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings2015/edge/
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Ever heard of sparq scores? Its supposed to be a combination of physical measurements and performance metrics from the combine. Its kinda like a QB rating but for all NFL prospects and I've heard its pretty accurate.

I don't know much about the details but I did read that Davis Tull ranked #1 out of all the edge players in the 2015 draft, despite his shorter arms.

I need to read more about it. Anyone else familiar with it?

https://3sigmaathlete.com/rankings2015/edge/
It's another attempt within Sports Sabremetrics to try to predict how good an athlete will be...

While it does help to check the boxes, what's between the ears and beating in the chest still can only be measured with followup interviews, at best...

At the end of the day, a good scout/coach will go and watch, say a wide receiver for example, how does he get off the line and is he "sudden" in his breaks on consistent, discipline routes...

With regards to Tull, I would like to have seen the Saints try in the past offseason for him to take a shot at MLB, with his speed and burst, that's be real asset in the middle...

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I'd be more sure of a 270 pound Gwachum holding the edge rather than a 250 pound Kikaha...
I'm speaking more of football weight distribution; muscle is ~2.5 times that of fat; but you need bulk, that sand in the pants to anchor against blockers...

Picking up an 80 lbs box that is 4 ' X 4' X 4' vs picking up a 95 lbs barbell with friendly grips kinda thing...

And playing DE in college is waaay different than playing DE in the NFL...

Look, the guy has me intrigued and it's impressive that he's taken coaching advice and moved to a different position and worked to build his body...

Cautiously optimistic that Gwachum can challenge, but it's a straight up observation that the guy is just raw-bone...

But as I said in earlier posts, I'm more excited by the number of players we can rotate in that front four...

We don't need a down lineman to play 85% of the snaps; we can rotate people for mismatches and keep the horses fresh to the fourth quarter...

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