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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Lol I guess you are on the Nick Goings bandwagon now. Where was he before this year? When he was given his chance, he produced. Goings was their 4th string, who know he had that talent? If Stecker didn\'t have ...

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Old 03-05-2005, 10:38 PM   #11
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Lol I guess you are on the Nick Goings bandwagon now. Where was he before this year? When he was given his chance, he produced. Goings was their 4th string, who know he had that talent? If Stecker didn\'t have talent, he wouldn\'t be playing in the NFL period.

Davis = free agent from Redskins; 1st string
Foster = injured college talent who they took a chance on;2nd
Hoover = fullback 3rd string
Goings = free agent 4th string

Now if I were to tell you starting the season that Davis is injured, Foster coming off of injury, and Hoover is 2nd string with Goings being his back up, would you be all over Carolina\'s running back bandwagon? What I\'m saying here is why not give the guy a chance? Carolina did and they found 4 gems. Hoover did awesome when he was in there and so did Goings. Why not give Stecker a chance? Is it because he\'s too small (cough Warrick Dunn)? Is it because he wasn\'t drafted high (cough Rudi Johnson, Najeh Davenport)?

Gumbo go up there an answer my questions... and then tell me whether or not it\'s the running backs fault. And are you even reading I\'m all for signing this guy if he\'s affordable? I think you need to read the whole statement instead of picking out what you want to read.





[Edited on 6/3/2005 by papz]

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Old 03-05-2005, 10:45 PM   #12
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I guess you are on the Nick Goings bandwagon now. Where was he before this year? When he was given his chance, he produced.
Papz, you seem to have a hard time understanding what I\'m saying.

Aaron Stecker HAD his chance last year. And while he didn\'t suck, he did NOT get the job done.

Look, we finished 27th in the NFL in rushing. Whose fault is that? You can blame Deuce being injured. But when he was healty he was able to rush for 100+ yards behind our offensive line. Stecker could not produce that kind of yardage.

Why do you want to complicate this? Who cares where someone was drafted? I could care less.

What I\'m concerned about is what do we do in 2005 if Deuce goes down. According to you ... we\'re fine. But, we weren\'t fine last year with Stecker and finshed almost dead last in rushing.

[Edited on 6/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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Old 03-05-2005, 10:55 PM   #13
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Gumbo go up there an answer my questions... and then tell me whether or not it\'s the running backs fault. And are you even reading I\'m all for signing this guy if he\'s affordable? I think you need to read the whole statement instead of picking out what you want to read.
Please do me a favor and check out his stats. And I believe he won a game for us against St.Louis last year in one of his starts. How didn\'t he get the job done? How many carries did he get per game? Did he rush for an average of at least 80 yards in each contest? I don\'t consider 3 games as being given a chance... and if you do, then look at his numbers. Because you know what, for the 15-18 carries he got, he did absolutely fine.





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Old 03-05-2005, 11:02 PM   #14
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Please do me a favor and check out his stats. And I believe he won a game for us against St.Louis last year in one of his starts. How didn\'t he get the job done? How many carries did he get per game? Did he rush for an average of at least 80 yards in each contest? I don\'t consider 3 games as being given a chance... and if you do, then look at his numbers. Because you know what, for the 15-18 carries he got, he did absolutely fine.
Okay, papz. If you\'re fine with Stecker, then we simply disagree. I like Stecker as a change of pace back.

But I do not feel good with him if he has to carry the load if Deuce gets injured.

And here\'s why:

1. Stecker has been in the NFL for 5-years and the most carries he had in a one year period is 58-carries.

2. When Deuce got injured we finished 27th in the NFL in rushing.

3. The coaches chose to play an INJURED Deuce instead of a healthy Aaron Stecker. Wonder why?



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Old 03-05-2005, 11:18 PM   #15
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Obviously you mean Stecker. Who wouldn\'t play an injured Deuce instead of Stecker? An 80% Deuce is still better than most of the backs in this league. Would you start Stecker ahead of Dunn and Alstott? PLEASE stop playing an injured Deuce or our running backs for ranking 27th in the league. PLEASE realize being down by 14 plus points at halftime GREATLY affects this statistic. Blame the defense for every game leading up to the last four games of the season.

PLEASE FOR THE LAST TIME REALIZE THAT I\'M ALL FOR SIGNING THIS GUY IF HE\'S AFFORDABLE. PLEASE REALIZE THAT I\'M SAYING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER. AND PLEASE STOP DOGGING STECKER BECAUSE HE DID ABSOLUTELY FINE IN THE 2 or 3 STARTS.

Trust me I\'m all for competition, because as we know in this league anyone can be replaced. But if it\'s for the right price. Remember like I said up there it would be boring if we didn\'t argue/debate. Two different people, two different views... and no hard feelings.

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Old 03-05-2005, 11:24 PM   #16
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Hey, papz ... it\'s all good.

Of course I don\'t want to pay a back-up runningback anymore than we have to.

I just can\'t understand how you could feel comfortable with Stecker, though.

Considering back-up runningback is probably the most important back-up of any position, I\'d like some one who has PROVEN they can carry the load. Rather than someone like Stecker who we only HOPE can carrry the load if Deuce goes down. :salute:

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Old 03-05-2005, 11:28 PM   #17
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Trust me I get your point... I\'m just saying don\'t give up on this guy so quickly. Like so many other players in this league, if not given extended time to prove themselves as capable players, you wouldn\'t have the Nick Goings and Rudi Johnson\'s out there. If we can sign him and he proves to be cost effective, I would love him have him on this team. Just like I did your OL Mayberry. I was very surprised that we didn\'t have to break bank on him and think he would be a good addition (if he has some gas left )

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Old 03-05-2005, 11:37 PM   #18
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A-Train is poo. Take it from a guy who lives in Chicago. A-Train\'s career is done, IMO. Sure he\'ll play somewhere for a few more years, but the guy just doesn\'t have it.

I\'m also wondering if RB isn\'t a slightly over-inflated \"need\". I like Stecker personally, but bottom line is, if the defense isn\'t putting the team in a hole almost immediately and forcing the O to play catch up from the middle of the first quarter, the running game isn\'t abandoned. My 2 cents.. back to my booze.

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Old 03-06-2005, 12:25 PM   #19
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if the defense isn\'t putting the team in a hole almost immediately and forcing the O to play catch up from the middle of the first quarter
I get to disagree with WHO!!!!! This statement is 100% false, but you are boozing, and so I will let it slide. Instead of arguing it, I will post the link to where I disproved it if need be.

Back on the debate, \"Why the hell is this team looking at BACKUP RB in the 1st week of FA? They\'re on the wrong side of the ball!!! Anyone else have a problem with this?
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You didn\'t read the rest of the thread sw... trust me... I have.
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