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JKool · 03-06-2005, 04:13 PM

I\'m certain that we agree on this one. Just food for thought, really.

LongTimeFan · 03-06-2005, 07:23 PM

I agree with everthing papz wrote,
Works for me, no typing to get my point across

Saint_LB · 03-06-2005, 08:49 PM

So, yeah, our offense certainly didn\'t help our pathetic defense. I agree.

I\'m a little confused here, so correct me if I\'m wrong, but, didn\'t you start a couple of threads a couple of weeks ago to try to prove how this was not the case?

So much has been made on this board about how our offense made the defense look so much worse than what it actually was.

It amazes me that ... well, let\'s just say I\'m amazed!

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by Saint_LB]

RDOX · 03-06-2005, 09:14 PM

So, yeah, our offense certainly didn\'t help our pathetic defense. I agree.

I\'m a little confused here, so correct me if I\'m wrong, but, didn\'t you start a couple of threads a couple of weeks ago to try to prove how this was not the case?

So much has been made on this board about how our offense made the defense look so much worse than what it actually was.

It amazes me that ... well, let\'s just say I\'m amazed!

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by Saint_LB]

Laid Back!!

Don\'t even go there, into the Gumbo Zone. It makes the Twilight Zone look like Einstein. You\'ll never get either good sense or logic. I\'ve given up. It\'s worse than Handy Man!!

JKool · 03-06-2005, 09:20 PM

What do you guys think about A-Train vs. Dayne vs. Hearst?

How about Womack vs. Miller?

Maybe the Miller deal is dead, since it didn\'t happen today?

PS - Who the heck is Handy Man? Is that Miller\'s agent?

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by JKool]

Saint_LB · 03-06-2005, 09:27 PM

So, yeah, our offense certainly didn\'t help our pathetic defense. I agree.

I\'m a little confused here, so correct me if I\'m wrong, but, didn\'t you start a couple of threads a couple of weeks ago to try to prove how this was not the case?

So much has been made on this board about how our offense made the defense look so much worse than what it actually was.

It amazes me that ... well, let\'s just say I\'m amazed!

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by Saint_LB]

Laid Back!!

Don\'t even go there, into the Gumbo Zone. It makes the Twilight Zone look like Einstein. You\'ll never get either good sense or logic. I\'ve given up. It\'s worse than Handy Man!!

Hey, RD, what\'s shaking. Glad you could stop in. I am trying to make sense of some of this, but it\'s getting harder every day. In regards to Handy, I didn\'t have too much problems with that \"character.\" You may remember that I thought the dude wasn\'t for real, but more like a fictional character that somebody created. He certainly always stayed on the same side of the fence, though. His posts were short and sweet, if I remember correctly.

Saint_LB · 03-06-2005, 09:37 PM

What do you guys think about A-Train vs. Dayne vs. Hearst?

How about Womack vs. Miller?

Maybe the Miller deal is dead, since it didn\'t happen today?

PS - Who the heck is Handy Man? Is that Miller\'s agent?

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by JKool]

JK, Handy Man was a poster from the old Saints message board...very opinionated, a staunch AB supporter, and had a little trouble with grammar. Whether or not his grammatical mistakes and the personality that he presented was real was debatable, IMO.

In regards to your question about the players you mentioned, I am not too keen on A. Thomas or Dayne. I\'m not sure if you are referring to Garrison Hearst or someone else, so I can\'t comment. The other two guys I am totally unfamiliar with, so I don\'t have any opionion. I am not that much of a student of the game that I keep up with all of the players from all of the teams. I am more of a student of the Saints and a couple of other teams I follow, and don\'t go digging too much for more info just for the sake of making conversation on this board. Don\'t take that like I\'m saying you or anyone else does, it\'s just all of the information I get is from watching the teams I like, and that\'s about where it ends.

JKool · 03-07-2005, 03:20 AM

LB,

(1) Thanks for the clarification. This Handy Man sounds like a bit of an a-hole. I can\'t say for sure, but I\'m sorry you guys had to deal with that.

(2) I did mean Garrison Hearst. Apologies for not clarifying that.

(3) I posted some stuff on Miller and Womack earlier in this thread. I understand if you have no real opinion on this, but I was just wondering. (Just trying to steer this thread to a more productive discussion, to be honest.)

GumboBC · 03-07-2005, 07:40 AM

No one should be confused about my statements concerning the \"offense hurt the defense\".

First: In the orginal debate I said the offense hurt the defense SOME.

Second: I said it was primarily the running game that really hurt our offense.

Third: Go look it up if ya don\'t believe me...

As bad as our offense was; our defense was even worse.

It works both ways guys. Our offense hurt our defense. Our defense hurt our offense. If anything, our 32nd ranked defense hurt our 17th ranked offense more.

No arguement, with any credibility, can be made that our offense hurt our defense more than our defense hurt our offense.

For arguements sake, let\'s presume it\'s a wash. Let\'s say they cancelled one another out.

As it stands, our defense is worse than our offense.

We can sit here and blame our offense for our defense. We can sit here and blame our defense for our offense.

I prefer to look at each unit for what they are.

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by GumboBC]

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by GumboBC]

WhoDat · 03-07-2005, 08:31 AM

Hey Whoodi - I may have been boozing, but that doesn\'t change my statements.

1) A-Train is poo. It seems that the guy would be coming home to die (in terms of his NFL career). Doesn\'t he still hold the High School Rushing record in the State - Baton Rouge Catholic I think. Seems like he wants to be near his mama while he\'s warming the bench. Who can blame him? I\'d rather sit on the bench in the 72 degree Dome over Soldier field in December.

2) I don\'t know how you can argue that being 20 points down doesn\'t alter your game plan and limit the run.

3) RB is an OVERBLOWN need. Week 2, Deuce gets hurt against the 49ers. Week 3, Aaron Stecker makes his first start. He rushed 18 times for 106 yards, a TD and a long of 42. That\'s a Deuce-like day. Not bad at all in the NFL. Week 4, Stecker gets his second start. The Saints are down 14-3 to the Cards in the first half. Steck gets only 8 carries all game. That\'s a defense and coaching problem, you can\'t blame Stecker for having a bad day when the guy got 8 freaking carries. Week 5, Deuce returns and rushes for 102 yards against the Bucs. I just fail to see the giant need. People act like Deuce was out for 8 weeks. He wasn\'t. He missed two games. If the coaches continued to play him when he wasn\'t fully healthy, and that hurt the team\'s running game, whose fault is that? I blame Haslett - just like I blamed him when he failed to play a capable backup in 2002 when Brooks was hurt.

03-06-2005, 04:13 PM	#31
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Anthony "The-A-Train" Thomas to visit I\'m certain that we agree on this one. Just food for thought, really.

03-06-2005, 07:23 PM	#32
LongTimeFan Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Louisiana Posts: 2,403	Anthony "The-A-Train" Thomas to visit I agree with everthing papz wrote, Works for me, no typing to get my point across

03-06-2005, 08:49 PM	#33
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Anthony "The-A-Train" Thomas to visit So, yeah, our offense certainly didn\'t help our pathetic defense. I agree. I\'m a little confused here, so correct me if I\'m wrong, but, didn\'t you start a couple of threads a couple of weeks ago to try to prove how this was not the case? So much has been made on this board about how our offense made the defense look so much worse than what it actually was. It amazes me that ... well, let\'s just say I\'m amazed! [Edited on 7/3/2005 by Saint_LB]
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03-06-2005, 09:14 PM	#34
RDOX 100th Post Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 264	Anthony "The-A-Train" Thomas to visit So, yeah, our offense certainly didn\'t help our pathetic defense. I agree. I\'m a little confused here, so correct me if I\'m wrong, but, didn\'t you start a couple of threads a couple of weeks ago to try to prove how this was not the case? So much has been made on this board about how our offense made the defense look so much worse than what it actually was. It amazes me that ... well, let\'s just say I\'m amazed! [Edited on 7/3/2005 by Saint_LB] Laid Back!! Don\'t even go there, into the Gumbo Zone. It makes the Twilight Zone look like Einstein. You\'ll never get either good sense or logic. I\'ve given up. It\'s worse than Handy Man!!
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03-06-2005, 09:20 PM	#35
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Anthony "The-A-Train" Thomas to visit What do you guys think about A-Train vs. Dayne vs. Hearst? How about Womack vs. Miller? Maybe the Miller deal is dead, since it didn\'t happen today? PS - Who the heck is Handy Man? Is that Miller\'s agent? [Edited on 7/3/2005 by JKool]

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03-06-2005, 09:27 PM	#36
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Anthony "The-A-Train" Thomas to visit So, yeah, our offense certainly didn\'t help our pathetic defense. I agree. I\'m a little confused here, so correct me if I\'m wrong, but, didn\'t you start a couple of threads a couple of weeks ago to try to prove how this was not the case? So much has been made on this board about how our offense made the defense look so much worse than what it actually was. It amazes me that ... well, let\'s just say I\'m amazed! [Edited on 7/3/2005 by Saint_LB] Laid Back!! Don\'t even go there, into the Gumbo Zone. It makes the Twilight Zone look like Einstein. You\'ll never get either good sense or logic. I\'ve given up. It\'s worse than Handy Man!! Hey, RD, what\'s shaking. Glad you could stop in. I am trying to make sense of some of this, but it\'s getting harder every day. In regards to Handy, I didn\'t have too much problems with that \"character.\" You may remember that I thought the dude wasn\'t for real, but more like a fictional character that somebody created. He certainly always stayed on the same side of the fence, though. His posts were short and sweet, if I remember correctly.
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03-06-2005, 09:37 PM	#37
Saint_LB Deuce Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,894	Anthony "The-A-Train" Thomas to visit What do you guys think about A-Train vs. Dayne vs. Hearst? How about Womack vs. Miller? Maybe the Miller deal is dead, since it didn\'t happen today? PS - Who the heck is Handy Man? Is that Miller\'s agent? [Edited on 7/3/2005 by JKool] JK, Handy Man was a poster from the old Saints message board...very opinionated, a staunch AB supporter, and had a little trouble with grammar. Whether or not his grammatical mistakes and the personality that he presented was real was debatable, IMO. In regards to your question about the players you mentioned, I am not too keen on A. Thomas or Dayne. I\'m not sure if you are referring to Garrison Hearst or someone else, so I can\'t comment. The other two guys I am totally unfamiliar with, so I don\'t have any opionion. I am not that much of a student of the game that I keep up with all of the players from all of the teams. I am more of a student of the Saints and a couple of other teams I follow, and don\'t go digging too much for more info just for the sake of making conversation on this board. Don\'t take that like I\'m saying you or anyone else does, it\'s just all of the information I get is from watching the teams I like, and that\'s about where it ends.
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03-07-2005, 03:20 AM	#38
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Anthony "The-A-Train" Thomas to visit LB, (1) Thanks for the clarification. This Handy Man sounds like a bit of an a-hole. I can\'t say for sure, but I\'m sorry you guys had to deal with that. (2) I did mean Garrison Hearst. Apologies for not clarifying that. (3) I posted some stuff on Miller and Womack earlier in this thread. I understand if you have no real opinion on this, but I was just wondering. (Just trying to steer this thread to a more productive discussion, to be honest.)

03-07-2005, 07:40 AM	#39
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	Anthony "The-A-Train" Thomas to visit No one should be confused about my statements concerning the \"offense hurt the defense\". First: In the orginal debate I said the offense hurt the defense SOME. Second: I said it was primarily the running game that really hurt our offense. Third: Go look it up if ya don\'t believe me... As bad as our offense was; our defense was even worse. It works both ways guys. Our offense hurt our defense. Our defense hurt our offense. If anything, our 32nd ranked defense hurt our 17th ranked offense more. No arguement, with any credibility, can be made that our offense hurt our defense more than our defense hurt our offense. For arguements sake, let\'s presume it\'s a wash. Let\'s say they cancelled one another out. As it stands, our defense is worse than our offense. We can sit here and blame our offense for our defense. We can sit here and blame our defense for our offense. I prefer to look at each unit for what they are. [Edited on 7/3/2005 by GumboBC] [Edited on 7/3/2005 by GumboBC]
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03-07-2005, 08:31 AM	#40
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Anthony "The-A-Train" Thomas to visit Hey Whoodi - I may have been boozing, but that doesn\'t change my statements. 1) A-Train is poo. It seems that the guy would be coming home to die (in terms of his NFL career). Doesn\'t he still hold the High School Rushing record in the State - Baton Rouge Catholic I think. Seems like he wants to be near his mama while he\'s warming the bench. Who can blame him? I\'d rather sit on the bench in the 72 degree Dome over Soldier field in December. 2) I don\'t know how you can argue that being 20 points down doesn\'t alter your game plan and limit the run. 3) RB is an OVERBLOWN need. Week 2, Deuce gets hurt against the 49ers. Week 3, Aaron Stecker makes his first start. He rushed 18 times for 106 yards, a TD and a long of 42. That\'s a Deuce-like day. Not bad at all in the NFL. Week 4, Stecker gets his second start. The Saints are down 14-3 to the Cards in the first half. Steck gets only 8 carries all game. That\'s a defense and coaching problem, you can\'t blame Stecker for having a bad day when the guy got 8 freaking carries. Week 5, Deuce returns and rushes for 102 yards against the Bucs. I just fail to see the giant need. People act like Deuce was out for 8 weeks. He wasn\'t. He missed two games. If the coaches continued to play him when he wasn\'t fully healthy, and that hurt the team\'s running game, whose fault is that? I blame Haslett - just like I blamed him when he failed to play a capable backup in 2002 when Brooks was hurt.
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