Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade

Euphoria · 03-07-2005, 08:33 AM

Inking Howard, he\'ll make less money initially, but makes garenteed money in the long run as well. I agree we keep Howard. To me he starts and you find ways to get Smith into the game besides alternating him at DE.

This Darius doesn\'t make sense to me you make top5 money for a year... thats good. But to complain and want a trade, something is up, I think its an excuse just to move out of there.

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by Euphoria]

GoldenTomb · 03-07-2005, 08:40 AM

Offering just a second without Howard would be an extreme lowball. I wouldn\'t even entertain that if I were the Jags.

I dont see the upside for keeping Howard any longer.

Smith is a DE. He\'s not big enough for DT. Enough with the experimentation. We drafted him for DE and that\'s what we should pay him to play.

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by GoldenTomb]

WhoDat · 03-07-2005, 08:55 AM

Here are two good reasons:

1) John Pease uses a platoon type scheme to the D-line. Lots of players, lots of rotating. Keep guys fresh all game and move them around. It makes the line seem nastier as the game wears on. Pease has used as many as 9 defensive linemen in his rotation in the part. I like Willie Whitehead, but if Grant or Smith need a spell, Whitehead\'s not exactly on the same level. That\'s assuming we have zero injuries.

2) This has me licking my chops. Imagine third and nine. The Saints line up with Grant, Whitehead, Howard, Smith. That\'s disgusting. That\'s 20 or 30 sacks alone throught the year from that formation.

[Edited on 7/3/2005 by WhoDat]

Euphoria · 03-07-2005, 08:58 AM

The art of the negociation... you start low and go from there. There is nothing wrong with your philosophy but you have to start thinking outside the box if you want to win. You have 2 solid DE and managed to get a gifted pass rushing DE in the draft... hmmm. Ok Howard ya don\'t like at DC ok... lets see what else we can do... how about moving Smith to OLB even as a Nickel CB to BLITZ. Smith can play at LB don\'t discredit that even. Pats win because they have coaches who thinks outside the box, it takes more than just putting the best 11 guys on the field you can you have to get the best players in a position to make plays. Thats where Howard and Smith come in.

GoldenTomb · 03-07-2005, 09:15 AM

There you said it....the Pats have coaches that think outside the box. The Pats had Romeo Crennel. We have Rick Venturi. See the difference? Trying to do what they do without being in the inside of their organization won\'t work. We have to do our own thing, because what the Pats do won\'t work for us. They have a talented coaching staff with elaborate, highly effective schemes, whereas we don\'t. We have to rely more on the talent of our players.

Euphoria · 03-07-2005, 09:27 AM

exactly!!! Talented Howard, Talented Smith, so you just agreeed with me, we use the talent we have.

saintswhodi · 03-07-2005, 09:30 AM

Um, anyone thought of what happens to Charles Grant in a year or two if we keep Howard? He will be due for a new contract, Howard will be in the middle of one, and Smith will already be getting paid good money. Unless we wanna tie a good bit of money in one position, no matter how talented Howard is, he has to go. I read today they are looking at re-signing Bentley already, even before Deuce and Horn which is good. But come on, it\'s good to talk about keeping Howard, but he is hurt often, and will command more money than we can afford.

JKool · 03-07-2005, 09:46 AM

I\'m with Whodi on this one. We simply cannot afford to keep Howard and improve the other need spots on the team. Unless we\'re merely going to improve through the draft - which I, personally, don\'t think will do to improve the 32nd ranked defense and 27th ranked running game.

Euphoria · 03-07-2005, 10:12 AM

Don\'t get me wrong I am not opposed to see him going... just I am not sold either way is the way to go. You could sign him to a long term contract and he won\'t be getting 7.8 mil.

baronm · 03-07-2005, 10:17 AM

I hope to high heavan that howard is traded..otherwize we are in trouble.

03-07-2005, 08:33 AM	#11
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade Inking Howard, he\'ll make less money initially, but makes garenteed money in the long run as well. I agree we keep Howard. To me he starts and you find ways to get Smith into the game besides alternating him at DE. This Darius doesn\'t make sense to me you make top5 money for a year... thats good. But to complain and want a trade, something is up, I think its an excuse just to move out of there. [Edited on 7/3/2005 by Euphoria]

03-07-2005, 08:40 AM	#12
GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade Offering just a second without Howard would be an extreme lowball. I wouldn\'t even entertain that if I were the Jags. I dont see the upside for keeping Howard any longer. Smith is a DE. He\'s not big enough for DT. Enough with the experimentation. We drafted him for DE and that\'s what we should pay him to play. [Edited on 7/3/2005 by GoldenTomb]
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03-07-2005, 08:55 AM	#13
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade Here are two good reasons: 1) John Pease uses a platoon type scheme to the D-line. Lots of players, lots of rotating. Keep guys fresh all game and move them around. It makes the line seem nastier as the game wears on. Pease has used as many as 9 defensive linemen in his rotation in the part. I like Willie Whitehead, but if Grant or Smith need a spell, Whitehead\'s not exactly on the same level. That\'s assuming we have zero injuries. 2) This has me licking my chops. Imagine third and nine. The Saints line up with Grant, Whitehead, Howard, Smith. That\'s disgusting. That\'s 20 or 30 sacks alone throught the year from that formation. [Edited on 7/3/2005 by WhoDat]
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03-07-2005, 08:58 AM	#14
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade The art of the negociation... you start low and go from there. There is nothing wrong with your philosophy but you have to start thinking outside the box if you want to win. You have 2 solid DE and managed to get a gifted pass rushing DE in the draft... hmmm. Ok Howard ya don\'t like at DC ok... lets see what else we can do... how about moving Smith to OLB even as a Nickel CB to BLITZ. Smith can play at LB don\'t discredit that even. Pats win because they have coaches who thinks outside the box, it takes more than just putting the best 11 guys on the field you can you have to get the best players in a position to make plays. Thats where Howard and Smith come in.
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GoldenTomb 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 591	Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade There you said it....the Pats have coaches that think outside the box. The Pats had Romeo Crennel. We have Rick Venturi. See the difference? Trying to do what they do without being in the inside of their organization won\'t work. We have to do our own thing, because what the Pats do won\'t work for us. They have a talented coaching staff with elaborate, highly effective schemes, whereas we don\'t. We have to rely more on the talent of our players.
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03-07-2005, 09:27 AM	#16
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade exactly!!! Talented Howard, Talented Smith, so you just agreeed with me, we use the talent we have.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade Um, anyone thought of what happens to Charles Grant in a year or two if we keep Howard? He will be due for a new contract, Howard will be in the middle of one, and Smith will already be getting paid good money. Unless we wanna tie a good bit of money in one position, no matter how talented Howard is, he has to go. I read today they are looking at re-signing Bentley already, even before Deuce and Horn which is good. But come on, it\'s good to talk about keeping Howard, but he is hurt often, and will command more money than we can afford.

03-07-2005, 09:46 AM	#18
JKool 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,423	Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade I\'m with Whodi on this one. We simply cannot afford to keep Howard and improve the other need spots on the team. Unless we\'re merely going to improve through the draft - which I, personally, don\'t think will do to improve the 32nd ranked defense and 27th ranked running game.

03-07-2005, 10:12 AM	#19
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade Don\'t get me wrong I am not opposed to see him going... just I am not sold either way is the way to go. You could sign him to a long term contract and he won\'t be getting 7.8 mil.

03-07-2005, 10:17 AM	#20
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	Darius rips into Jaguars, is seeking trade I hope to high heavan that howard is traded..otherwize we are in trouble.
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