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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by halloween 65 I believe if we don't have a deep, deep playoff run with Brees under C this season then he's not going to be here next season. Another 7-9 or even a 9-7 isn't going to ...

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Old 08-14-2016, 12:39 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 View Post
I believe if we don't have a deep, deep playoff run with Brees under C this season then he's not going to be here next season. Another 7-9 or even a 9-7 isn't going to cut it. Could be the FO is waiting to see how things go.
Drew Brees is going to be here, Drew Brees is going to sign a contract, Drew Brees is going to make 25 m
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Old 08-14-2016, 12:47 PM   #42
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I'm well aware of market value. It's been discussed for years and years, and is a secret to no one, at this point. But market "value" is mostly a residual consequence of teams being desperate and over paying. Once they over pay, the bar is set. And when that happens every decent QB, not just the elite, want to negotiate at or above that number, because the precedent is already set that teams will do anything to have stability at the QB position.

Neither Drew nor any other of these guys with 100 million plus contracts have actually "earned" that money. Nothing they do is that important when you compare it to other jobs around the world.
I just want to make sure and point out that there are 32 teams with like 60 players each so that means that there are roughly 2,000 people in the entire world that can play in the NFL. Show me another job where only 2000 people in the entire world can do it. By the way, being one of those 2000 means you work very hard. So you decide which jobs deserve which money...I see, you're the smartest guy in the room and you will decide verse say the marketplace.
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Old 08-14-2016, 12:58 PM   #43
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Ahhh, time for the defense to carry the load for a while. Let's start going the way of the Broncos instead.
And what position are the Broncos in the most need of?
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Old 08-14-2016, 01:39 PM   #44
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I'm well aware of market value. It's been discussed for years and years, and is a secret to no one, at this point. But market "value" is mostly a residual consequence of teams being desperate and over paying. Once they over pay, the bar is set. And when that happens every decent QB, not just the elite, want to negotiate at or above that number, because the precedent is already set that teams will do anything to have stability at the QB position.

Neither Drew nor any other of these guys with 100 million plus contracts have actually "earned" that money. Nothing they do is that important when you compare it to other jobs around the world. So I get highly annoyed by this idea that the team owes Drew something extra because market value has risen since his last deal. They don't owe him anything, he has made plenty. But I get it from his perspective that he can't just take a low ball offer when he could make more elsewhere. So I'm not gonna toilet paper his house if he should leave. It's business. But the Saints have to be reasonable. They can't pay a guy his age like he's 25.

I hear what you are saying about the cap rising, and I have heard that many times from people defending Loomis' tactics. You mentioned a couple players whom the team has signed, but the problem is it's always just a player here, and a player there, each year. I'll admit that I wanted Byrd before he came here, but when I actually saw the contract I was blown away. It was extremely ill-advised to put that much into one player with as many problems as they needed to address on defense.

There never seems to be enough money to go around in free agency. And when they do sign people, it's usually a bad move. I think they over paid for Fleener, for example, but that's just my opinion. It's hard to build through the draft alone. There are so many busts. You need to have a few proven commodities. Many of the key players who were on the '09 team were not drafted by the Saints.

For the past several years Loomis has been deferring money, which has only served to keep the team out of the penalty. I don't consider that very smart business.
After all of that there is the one major fact that you are missing out on. Brees' age has NOTHING to do with his value. As long as he is producing as good as any 25 year old in the league why shouldn't he be paid like one? Hell, he is better than EVERY 25 year old in the league and has shown no indication that he will not still be out-performing them three or four years from now.
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Old 08-14-2016, 01:54 PM   #45
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Really? 40 million, and still be fine? Taking that comment at face value is completely unrealistic, for one. But if it were true, then what now do you suppose is the holdup? I'm not even concerned about him leaving. I'm more curious to see how much meat will be left on the bone when his deal is done. But if they can pay him THAT much, without even having a problem, then what would be the reason to stall? Clearly it isn't that simple.

I'm almost convinced that he could actually leave and some would still insist they know what's going on, and deny that there is any actual issue with the negotiations.
In case you didn't know, Brees' agent is the same one that represents Peyton Manning. If I'm not mistaken, Condon did not broker an extension twice for Manning, but did re-sign following the final season of the contract. In fact, that is how most deals work. Extensions are the exception. Yes, it would make fans like us all warm and fuzzy, but isn't necessary. SFIAH has it nailed. The cap is no longer an issue and I can't understand why people get so hung up on what players get paid. in addition, you cannot compare what an NFL QB gets paid to what people in regular jobs get paid. How many assistant managers are the in the world working at McDonalds? How many second grade math teachers are there in the world? How many car salespeople are there in the world? There are only thirty-two NFL starting QB's in the world. The NFL mandates that a vast majority of the cap has to be spent. They are not overpaid ... at all.
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Old 08-14-2016, 02:02 PM   #46
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I just want to make sure and point out that there are 32 teams with like 60 players each so that means that there are roughly 2,000 people in the entire world that can play in the NFL. Show me another job where only 2000 people in the entire world can do it. By the way, being one of those 2000 means you work very hard. So you decide which jobs deserve which money...I see, you're the smartest guy in the room and you will decide verse say the marketplace.
Just saw you went to the same place that I did. It is plain as day to anyone that understands basic economics. Every commodity is always worth exactly what the consumer is willing to pay. In the NFL the consumer is the team owner. We are simply customers of that consumer's business. We should have no more concern in what a player gets paid than we would be concerned about what the lady that dry cleans our pants makes.

Why can't people understand something so basic?
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Old 08-14-2016, 03:16 PM   #47
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I'm older, much older, and I have no doubt Brees can play out another four year contract at a high level. You see, I may be pushin' sixty, but I am not so stuck in the past that I base the physical capability of an athlete in 2016 based upon 1980 standards. Try joining the twenty-first century. You may enjoy it.

Yeah, because you and Drew are studs and aging stopped in 2000...
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Old 08-14-2016, 03:30 PM   #48
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Yeah, because you and Drew are studs and aging stopped in 2000...
no because aging is not the same now as 40 years ago. the science and nutrition is better. The rules make for less wear and tear, especially for qb's.
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no because aging is not the same now as 40 years ago. the science and nutrition is better. The rules make for less wear and tear, especially for qb's.
Yeah, okay, and we haven't seen sacks like this in forty years; did that hurt? Don't worry, Drew, have a Snickers...



And I'll remind y'all, Brees, who never misses games, missed a game last season...What's the over/under this season?

Look, he's paid, the cap hit is done and there's absolutely no need to do an extension until after a detailed evaluation of the upcoming season can be done...
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Yeah, okay, and we haven't seen sacks like this in forty years; did that hurt? Don't worry, Drew, have a Snickers...



And I'll remind y'all, Brees, who never misses games, missed a game last season...What's the over/under this season?

Look, he's paid, the cap hit is done and there's absolutely no need to do an extension until after a detailed evaluation of the upcoming season can be done...
So no offense but you honestly choose one play as an indication that things are the same. Really, do you want me to bring out Joe Theismans chicken wing? come on bro
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