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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by vpheughan Define: Above Average QB, Andy Dalton? Yeah Anyone youd rank from 10/12 to 20 as a QB. A good line s d running game and dont throw games away...

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Old 08-27-2016, 08:05 PM   #81
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Re: 5-11 to 7-9

Originally Posted by vpheughan View Post
Define: Above Average QB, Andy Dalton?
Yeah
Anyone youd rank from 10/12 to 20 as a QB. A good line s d running game and dont throw games away
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Old 08-27-2016, 09:14 PM   #82
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Originally Posted by nola_swammi View Post
Jordan, I stand corrected yet a number one pick should be NFL ready
Davidson is incomplete only second yr
Richardson same as Davidson
Galette you see how that turned out
Cooks same as Jordan
Armstead I stand corrected, saints haven't developed a player since 2013
Ivory read Armstead
Strief are you f**** serious
Harper during Colston era, anyway I was corrected by Armstead
Stinchcomb was before Colston
Bushrod read Harper
Anthony how are they developing him after they switch him
Morested came out booming kicks
J Graham that was a Drew Bree's development since DB been in the league he utilize tight end
Kikaha shuffle board haven't been in league yet to be determined
So by your own admission there are at least four rookies who have been developed since Colston. Basically you just called yourself an idiot.
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Old 08-27-2016, 09:24 PM   #83
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I recall Hebert saying the other day that the Vikings are O LINE heavy (specifically guard). Alex Boone signed a new deal this off season. They can't keep em all. Saints would be crazy not to keep on eye on their upcoming cuts.
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Old 08-27-2016, 10:19 PM   #84
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You are nuts.
Same could be said about you. My friend either that your as blind as a bat how can you sit there and say they are anything but awful
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Old 08-27-2016, 10:26 PM   #85
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Originally Posted by CharityMike View Post
If your waiting for someone to say you were right, hell might freeze over first.
Technically the season has not started. We can hope for a little luck and someone gets dropped from another team that could improve our O line.

There is still a glimmer of hope to hang onto. The reality just got a little more depressing after watching the team last night.
It's not that at all I would hope I was wrong but my eyes see a bad football team. I'm not gonna let the black and gold spectacles blindme for seeing the reality of the situation. If it walks like a duck quacks like a duck it's a damn duck to me I don't apologize for calling like I see it
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Old 08-28-2016, 01:31 AM   #86
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Nothing happened last night that really changed my outlook. I've said all along that we can score 25 a game, but with this offensive line, they won't have many games where they explode for much more than that. The first team offense was good and bad last night, and they are not running their entire offense in a preseason game. So I'm not looking at the points (or lack thereof) in these games. I'm just looking at how those guys up front are doing, who's catching the ball, who isn't. What I've seen tells me this is pretty much the same offense from last year. It's got some new and interesting skill players, but they will all be limited by the amount of time and space our QB and RB's get.

Defensively, they're going to be better than they were last year. They haven't shown a pass rush, but that usually is the case in preseason. They will have a lot to prove there. In coverage, there were two big plays that should have been broken up. On the TD to Antonio Brown, Harris had perfect position, but for some reason never looked for the ball. The same thing happened on a long pass down the sideline against P.J Williams. This has been a pattern for years. Our corners DO NOT look for the ball. I have no idea why... It's like they're being instructed not to look. If you can't find the ball, it doesn't matter where you are, the ball will get caught right over your head.

Those things are correctable, but they HAVE to correct it. It was the big plays that killed them in the first half. Pittsburgh couldn't run it, and when they threw short, for the most part, the Saints tackled well.

So it's really just a matter of putting pressure on the QB and getting our DB's to find the ball. We won't know until the season starts how that will all turn out, and we all knew going into camp that the whole season would hinge on both lines doing a better job.

So last night just reminded me of those things. This team has plenty of talent, but there are a lot of moving parts on that defense right now, and I'm just not sure this is their year, but do believe that they will be more competitive overall. I'm hopeful but very unsure of where this team will finish.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 08-28-2016, 02:17 AM   #87
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I think they are killing Stephon Anthony by moving him to the strong side. Is he even playing with the ones? I thought he did well last year but apparently not. Has he even made a play so far this year? If he don't have success, we may be looking at 2 wasted 1st rd picks.
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Originally Posted by CharityMike View Post
I think they are killing Stephon Anthony by moving him to the strong side. Is he even playing with the ones? I thought he did well last year but apparently not. Has he even made a play so far this year? If he don't have success, we may be looking at 2 wasted 1st rd picks.
Truthfully, I hated the pick at first( I wanted Perryman and McKenny) but after watching Anthony he grew on me and being under the assumption we were switching to a 3-4 he could become a stud in that scheme. In the 4-3 at MLB he's to slow to cover if called on intermediate or deep( just to much ground to cover). He wasn't drafter to become a 4-3 MLB and hiring Allen a 4-3 guy didn't help him one bit, now with moving him to the OLB spot we'll have to wait and watch to see if it's the round hole square peg affect. I will say this if they let him go and a 3-4 run D picks him up they get themselves a stud ILB. People can argue 3-4, 4-3 all day but in my opionion a 3-4 run right beats the he!! out of a 4-3 any day of the week.
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Old 08-28-2016, 11:36 AM   #89
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Originally Posted by spkb25 View Post
I am talking about the offense. I could care less about the d right now. That's a whole other story. Our offense is sluggish and unable to move the ball. Go back and look at last season, the start of last season. Same ineffective ****:

409 yards
323 yards
380 yards
438 yards
386 yards
385 yards


And the thing is some of these games we weren't doing much offensively until the game was out of reach. So the other team is in prevent so of course you start moving the ball.

2011:
475 yards
382 yards
454 yards
503 yards
444 yards
453 yards

2009:
515
421
378
343
493
414

But by all means tell me how the offense is just as good as it always has been

I'm glad to see that I'm not the only person who sees that stats can be misleading. You will have a lot of statistics when the game is out of hand. The offense is allowed to rack up yards to get the games over quicker.
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Old 08-28-2016, 12:47 PM   #90
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Nothing happened last night that really changed my outlook. I've said all along that we can score 25 a game, but with this offensive line, they won't have many games where they explode for much more than that. The first team offense was good and bad last night, and they are not running their entire offense in a preseason game. So I'm not looking at the points (or lack thereof) in these games. I'm just looking at how those guys up front are doing, who's catching the ball, who isn't. What I've seen tells me this is pretty much the same offense from last year. It's got some new and interesting skill players, but they will all be limited by the amount of time and space our QB and RB's get.

Defensively, they're going to be better than they were last year. They haven't shown a pass rush, but that usually is the case in preseason. They will have a lot to prove there. In coverage, there were two big plays that should have been broken up. On the TD to Antonio Brown, Harris had perfect position, but for some reason never looked for the ball. The same thing happened on a long pass down the sideline against P.J Williams. This has been a pattern for years. Our corners DO NOT look for the ball. I have no idea why... It's like they're being instructed not to look. If you can't find the ball, it doesn't matter where you are, the ball will get caught right over your head.

Those things are correctable, but they HAVE to correct it. It was the big plays that killed them in the first half. Pittsburgh couldn't run it, and when they threw short, for the most part, the Saints tackled well.

So it's really just a matter of putting pressure on the QB and getting our DB's to find the ball. We won't know until the season starts how that will all turn out, and we all knew going into camp that the whole season would hinge on both lines doing a better job.

So last night just reminded me of those things. This team has plenty of talent, but there are a lot of moving parts on that defense right now, and I'm just not sure this is their year, but do believe that they will be more competitive overall. I'm hopeful but very unsure of where this team will finish.

The points you made regarding the DB's were the reason why I was so vehemently against releasing Keenan. At least Keenan knew how to and utilized the ability to look back and defend the ball. Being in position is one thing but playing the ball is another. Also if you're looking back at the ball, you're less likely to get a Pass Interference call because you are playing the ball and not just playing the receiver. But this is going to happen with young guys.
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