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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; wait a minute, there is more dead money right now then what we are paying drew and his average is like 10th or 12th on the list of QB's. His salary is not the problem, the dead money is...

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Old 08-29-2016, 06:06 AM   #51
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wait a minute, there is more dead money right now then what we are paying drew and his average is like 10th or 12th on the list of QB's. His salary is not the problem, the dead money is
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Old 08-29-2016, 06:08 AM   #52
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I personally would rather spend money on a great o line and above average defense and take my chances with say a Luke mccown or even a Nick Foles type QB that wouldn't demand high dollor and start looking for a future QB. We have seen the last couple of years where you get with a great QB and nothing else home in Jan. I'd rather be home in Jan one player away than home with 21 players away
we do need good lines, but right now there is 30+ mil in dead money. That's the issue, not Drew's salary. Every QB makes 20m, even alex smith. It is the reality right now.
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Old 08-29-2016, 08:10 AM   #53
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I've said it was reading a few pages back spkb25
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Old 08-29-2016, 08:13 AM   #54
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Yeah, inflation has pushed Drew down on the list of highest paid QB's. But he will be right up at the top for this season. And whether he re-signs or goes elsewhere, he'll be on top of the list again. It doesn't matter where you rank among the best, if you are just good enough for your team to want to sign you long term, you will be paid top 5 and, often, will be the highest paid. At least for about 5 minutes.

But indeed there are a lot of loose ends causing the cap problems. Even though some insist it isn't a problem because the cap will rise, blah blah... They conveniently forget that inflation will continue to follow it.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 08-29-2016, 08:23 AM   #55
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wait a minute, there is more dead money right now then what we are paying drew and his average is like 10th or 12th on the list of QB's. His salary is not the problem, the dead money is
Dead money WAS the problem. Dead money all but goes away next season with only $3.6M for Lewis, $1.3M for Browner, and $3,000 for Tovalland $1,000 for Tabb.
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Old 08-29-2016, 08:29 AM   #56
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Yeah, inflation has pushed Drew down on the list of highest paid QB's. But he will be right up at the top for this season. And whether he re-signs or goes elsewhere, he'll be on top of the list again. It doesn't matter where you rank among the best, if you are just good enough for your team to want to sign you long term, you will be paid top 5 and, often, will be the highest paid. At least for about 5 minutes.

But indeed there are a lot of loose ends causing the cap problems. Even though some insist it isn't a problem because the cap will rise, blah blah... They conveniently forget that inflation will continue to follow it.
No. The point is that $25M per year for Brees leaves tons of space for the future. It was the dead money of bad FA deals that got them in the bind. Dead money goes away and is no longer an issue. And as I pointed out earlier, Brees will be counting less of a percentage of the cap than before. There is no reason not to keep Brees unless you can replace him with something better.
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No. The point is that $25M per year for Brees leaves tons of space for the future. It was the dead money of bad FA deals that got them in the bind. Dead money goes away and is no longer an issue. And as I pointed out earlier, Brees will be counting less of a percentage of the cap than before. There is no reason not to keep Brees unless you can replace him with something better.
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I didn't say not to keep Brees. And I clearly acknowledged the "loose ends". All I said was that Brees has fallen down that list due to inflation. I have to figure that they will make up that difference on the next deal.

Of course the bad free agent deals were a huge problem. Haven't I said that hundreds of times? But the fact remains that teams who pay huge money for their QB's tend to have a devil of a time putting together a balanced roster. You have to be good at scouting and developing, and have an ability to turn over personnel pretty quickly, because you can only pay up for so many big names. The Saints have been very poor at that. Going all in on guys like Byrd, and trying to plug everything else.

Right now we have what appears to be a talented young defense. Now let's see if they can develop these players.
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Old 08-29-2016, 09:41 AM   #58
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i believe drew and payton need a couple more years to get back to the promised land. were young and dumb in some places that will be fixed, with no money its tough when you look foward to a new year in new orleans just because the nfl went up on salary cap a few millions and dead player money contracts are slowly disappearing,meaning were getting better and badder. so whatever it takes we have to keep the nucleus together.
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Old 08-29-2016, 12:00 PM   #59
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Trust me.......it's that bad. Guard play alone could cost this team another winning season. I hope not. It's possible that we pick up a couple of cuts that can contribute but I don't like basing my entire season on that possibility.
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Old 08-29-2016, 01:34 PM   #60
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Why would you pay Drew 20 - 42 million a yr if you surround him with second rate talent that's what has been happening the last couple of years there comes a point when your doing a disservice to the team by putting everything in one position. That's what I think people are trying to say. This year it's the dead money that hampers them from signing quality oline guys next year if your franchise Drew it would cost 42 million no way he or anyone is worth that I think we can all agree with that. That 42 million could be used to fill just about every week spot we have on both sides of the ball with 4-5 different positions being addressed . He said he wouldn't negotiate during the season so you have a week and half to extend his deal or he will be a free agent .
And then we will need a Qb. And we won't be able to afford anyone decent so we would have to address that through the draft. If Drew wants to stay with the team he knows he has to give concessions when it comes to his salary or he may not live to see it through the season. Maybe he just doesn't want to play here anymore.
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