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The Dude 08-28-2016 11:46 AM

We don't even know it's that bad.
 
You guys amaze me sometimes. I'm negative and get called out on it all the time and rightfully so. All of you guys who have given up need to find a college team to watch. The preseason isn't even over. They don't game plan and sceme in these games. In the regular season this is where Payton's coaching will come into play. You can scheme and disguise plays to make up for lack of talent. He is still a good coach and has done more with less. All we have to do is win the division. The Panthers were right were we are two years ago. Their offense was made up of a bunch nobody's on offense.

|Mitch| 08-28-2016 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 714515)
He is still a good coach and has done more with less.

He's never had an offensive line so offensive... Brees has made his career on having a very good interior line which has always given him a decent pocket to work in...

No amount of scheming and game planning can make up for the lack of strength our guards have... Peat and Lelito are getting bulldozed from pure strength by the defense(who by the way aren't scheming/game planning either)...

K Major 08-28-2016 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by |Mitch| (Post 714516)

Peat and Lelito are getting bulldozed from pure strength by the defense(who by the way aren't scheming/game planning either)...

Lelito is back up material at best.

Boggles the mind this wasn't addressed last year.

burningmetal 08-28-2016 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 714518)
Lelito is back up material at best.

Boggles the mind this wasn't addressed last year.

I can't figure it out, for the life of me, either. Even when you have more holes than a slice of swiss cheese, you always make protecting your franchise QB priority #1. Yes, they acquired Unger, but other than that they haven't made an honest effort in addressing that problem. Many of us "uninformed" people scoffed at the Peat selection last year as it was... But then upon realizing that he can't handle the outside, they actually think he can just slide into the middle? His frame and slow reactions make him a terrible fit there.

I hope he improves, but right now I have to say that this team has really dropped the ball on this issue.

spkb25 08-28-2016 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 714515)
They don't game plan and sceme in these games. .

which is why Pittsburgh's success the other night is so weird, how could that happen when they don't scheme. strange stuff

Danno 08-28-2016 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 714518)
Lelito is back up material at best.

Boggles the mind this wasn't addressed last year.

If I had to point to one glaring failure of the front office, its the OG issue.

We always address weaknesses with quality free agents allowing us to draft BPA.

For once, we didn't do that at OG.

Perhaps they thought Lelito and Kelemete would continue developing so they didn't see it as a need?

Perhaps the cap prevented us from addressing it? (Not buying that one)

Perhaps we thought the draft would provide plenty of options? We did sign a few UDFA's that were projected to be mid-rounders.

Perhaps they have a long list of vets they expect to get cut that could step in and help.

I don't know the inside story, but its definitely the 500 pound gorilla in the room.

Every other position was addressed (on paper) in some form or fashion.

lee909 08-28-2016 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 714515)
Their offense was made up of a bunch nobody's on offense.

If we had that defense i wouldn't be worried

500 in the last 66 games. The team hasnt looked great since 2011 so i think its past scheming to cover issues. The excuses need to stop ad heads roll if this isnt a good season. But as i said last night until the ownership issue is sorted its a rudderless ship

halloween 65 08-28-2016 04:36 PM

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Payton likes his players to be able to play more than 1 position, maybe he needs to rethink and get players that can play 1 position well then teach them to play another.

frydaddy 08-28-2016 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 714523)
which is why Pittsburgh's success the other night is so weird, how could that happen when they don't scheme. strange stuff

Because Antonio Brown, that's why. Again, that Pittsburgh offense humiliated the Broncos defense last year. Made them look like a bunch of also rans. I fully expected they would put up points a plenty on us, and a little surprised that it wasn't more than what they did.

Bottom line is that you should all at least wait until the games count before you throw in the towel. There are concerns, yes.. but, 2 years ago Carolina started the year looking like a total f**king wreck. Until they turned it around, made the playoffs, then carried that success into last season and all the way to a super bowl appearance. I think some of us got too spoiled to winning and got to be a bunch of whiny asses. Let's not be "those" fans. I don't want to be compared to the "fan" bases in Dallas or San Francisco or Philadelphia. Bunch of fair weather p*ssies.

lee909 08-28-2016 04:58 PM

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I dont get this whiny,given up nonsense

Nobody on here has whined or said it over. There are a number angry that the team has gine backwards in the past 5 years because of over paying FA,constantly chopping and changing the DC and scheme. Drafting for 4-3 for tears then changing to 3-4 drafting loads of players to fit then blowing it uo again to go back to 4-3. All this done while certain coaches seem to get away with underperforming units for years. Mostly because they are loyal friends of tbe coach.

The Panthers looked bad but they had a good QB and RB there. The line was getting better and they had one of the best defenses in the league to keep them in games.

You cannot win with bad lines on voth sides of the ball


Saying it was Antonio Brown wasnt correct either. He took 4 receptions of the 39 thrown to the team. The three Steelers QBs went 31-39 including Landry Jones who was intercepted last week 4 times in the first half


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