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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by burningmetal I don't think years are defined by games as long as you have participated at some point in all of those years. I have never heard anything to the contrary, and I see nothing anywhere that ...

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Old 09-07-2016, 02:24 PM   #21
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I don't think years are defined by games as long as you have participated at some point in all of those years.

I have never heard anything to the contrary, and I see nothing anywhere that suggests 64 games is the benchmark to be considered a vested vet. If you have anything concrete that says 64 games, let me know. I don't see anything.
Let me do some searching again. I came across a source that said explicitly that only games on the 46 man active roster counted toward becoming a vested veteran. From that I gathered four full season at 16 games per season or 64. If games not on the active roster didn't count yet you could get a full year for less that 16 games doesn't make sense.
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Vested Veteran – A Vested Veteran is a player with four (4) or more years of accrued service time.

The difficult part is finding the correct definition of accrued service time. You have these but they seem to address free agency or pension definitions, not vesting.

Accrued vs. credited seasons
Accrued season

An accrued season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for six regular season games. Full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Accrued seasons apply to free agency, and are the determining factor in a player’s status as an unrestricted free agent versus a restricted free agent. Any player with one accrued season is considered to be a veteran.

Credited season
A credited season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for three regular season games. Again, full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Credited seasons are used for determining pension eligibility and amount as well as determining a player’s minimum salary eligibility. With three or more credited seasons, players are vested and eligible to collect a pension.

Ah, the hell with it. Wasted too much time already. Neither of these mention being on 46 man active roster, but the one I can't find now did. Damn the CBA is confusing as hell.
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Old 09-07-2016, 03:02 PM   #24
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Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints

Looks like it's just 6 games of the season.
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Old 09-07-2016, 05:30 PM   #25
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido View Post
Vested Veteran – A Vested Veteran is a player with four (4) or more years of accrued service time.

The difficult part is finding the correct definition of accrued service time. You have these but they seem to address free agency or pension definitions, not vesting.

Accrued vs. credited seasons
Accrued season

An accrued season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for six regular season games. Full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Accrued seasons apply to free agency, and are the determining factor in a player’s status as an unrestricted free agent versus a restricted free agent. Any player with one accrued season is considered to be a veteran.

Credited season
A credited season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for three regular season games. Again, full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Credited seasons are used for determining pension eligibility and amount as well as determining a player’s minimum salary eligibility. With three or more credited seasons, players are vested and eligible to collect a pension.

Ah, the hell with it. Wasted too much time already. Neither of these mention being on 46 man active roster, but the one I can't find now did. Damn the CBA is confusing as hell.
Yeah the rules defining "veteran" and pensions are all I have ever seen anywhere. So I can only surmise that the normal rules for a credited season apply to the vested vet rule. That was my assumption, and searching yielded no further clarity. If it doesn't apply, there sure doesn't seem to be any info on it.
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Saints finally get their man by landing cornerback Sterling Moore | Saints | theadvocate.com

Never realized the Saints had their eye on him for quite some time.
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Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints

I always liked Moore. I don't understand why we couldn't keep Finnigan to go with Moore.
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I always liked Moore. I don't understand why we couldn't keep Finnigan to go with Moore.
+1. I thought Finnegan had a fine camp and earned a roster spot. He still has a lot of dog left in him. Maybe he gets called back next week ... maybe not.
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The rookies have played fairly well but are not proven like Finnegan. You might be right if one of them get eaten alive.
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Yeah you'd think they could have let go of one of the 17 running backs in favor of keeping Finnegan. I was not expecting them to keep Murphy, but I can't imagine why Cadet needs to be on the team.
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