CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints

09-07-2016, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I don't think years are defined by games as long as you have participated at some point in all of those years.

I have never heard anything to the contrary, and I see nothing anywhere that suggests 64 games is the benchmark to be considered a vested vet. If you have anything concrete that says 64 games, let me know. I don't see anything.

Let me do some searching again. I came across a source that said explicitly that only games on the 46 man active roster counted toward becoming a vested veteran. From that I gathered four full season at 16 games per season or 64. If games not on the active roster didn't count yet you could get a full year for less that 16 games doesn't make sense.

K Major · 09-07-2016, 02:28 PM

Got it,

Thanks

AsylumGuido · 09-07-2016, 02:49 PM

Vested Veteran – A Vested Veteran is a player with four (4) or more years of accrued service time.

The difficult part is finding the correct definition of accrued service time. You have these but they seem to address free agency or pension definitions, not vesting.

Accrued vs. credited seasons
Accrued season
An accrued season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for six regular season games. Full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Accrued seasons apply to free agency, and are the determining factor in a player’s status as an unrestricted free agent versus a restricted free agent. Any player with one accrued season is considered to be a veteran.

Credited season
A credited season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for three regular season games. Again, full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Credited seasons are used for determining pension eligibility and amount as well as determining a player’s minimum salary eligibility. With three or more credited seasons, players are vested and eligible to collect a pension.

Ah, the hell with it. Wasted too much time already. Neither of these mention being on 46 man active roster, but the one I can't find now did. Damn the CBA is confusing as hell.

ChrisXVI · 09-07-2016, 03:02 PM

Looks like it's just 6 games of the season.

burningmetal · 09-07-2016, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Vested Veteran – A Vested Veteran is a player with four (4) or more years of accrued service time.

The difficult part is finding the correct definition of accrued service time. You have these but they seem to address free agency or pension definitions, not vesting.

Accrued vs. credited seasons
Accrued season
An accrued season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for six regular season games. Full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Accrued seasons apply to free agency, and are the determining factor in a player’s status as an unrestricted free agent versus a restricted free agent. Any player with one accrued season is considered to be a veteran.

Credited season
A credited season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for three regular season games. Again, full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Credited seasons are used for determining pension eligibility and amount as well as determining a player’s minimum salary eligibility. With three or more credited seasons, players are vested and eligible to collect a pension.

Ah, the hell with it. Wasted too much time already. Neither of these mention being on 46 man active roster, but the one I can't find now did. Damn the CBA is confusing as hell.

Yeah the rules defining "veteran" and pensions are all I have ever seen anywhere. So I can only surmise that the normal rules for a credited season apply to the vested vet rule. That was my assumption, and searching yielded no further clarity. If it doesn't apply, there sure doesn't seem to be any info on it.

K Major · 09-08-2016, 02:42 PM

Saints finally get their man by landing cornerback Sterling Moore | Saints | theadvocate.com

Never realized the Saints had their eye on him for quite some time.

halloween 65 · 09-08-2016, 02:49 PM

I always liked Moore. I don't understand why we couldn't keep Finnigan to go with Moore.

K Major · 09-08-2016, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I always liked Moore. I don't understand why we couldn't keep Finnigan to go with Moore.

+1. I thought Finnegan had a fine camp and earned a roster spot. He still has a lot of dog left in him. Maybe he gets called back next week ... maybe not.

halloween 65 · 09-08-2016, 03:03 PM

The rookies have played fairly well but are not proven like Finnegan. You might be right if one of them get eaten alive.

burningmetal · 09-08-2016, 03:04 PM

Yeah you'd think they could have let go of one of the 17 running backs in favor of keeping Finnegan. I was not expecting them to keep Murphy, but I can't imagine why Cadet needs to be on the team.

09-07-2016, 02:24 PM	#21
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by burningmetal I don't think years are defined by games as long as you have participated at some point in all of those years. I have never heard anything to the contrary, and I see nothing anywhere that suggests 64 games is the benchmark to be considered a vested vet. If you have anything concrete that says 64 games, let me know. I don't see anything. Let me do some searching again. I came across a source that said explicitly that only games on the 46 man active roster counted toward becoming a vested veteran. From that I gathered four full season at 16 games per season or 64. If games not on the active roster didn't count yet you could get a full year for less that 16 games doesn't make sense.
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09-07-2016, 02:28 PM	#22
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,017 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Got it, Thanks

09-07-2016, 02:49 PM	#23
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Vested Veteran – A Vested Veteran is a player with four (4) or more years of accrued service time. The difficult part is finding the correct definition of accrued service time. You have these but they seem to address free agency or pension definitions, not vesting. Accrued vs. credited seasons Accrued season An accrued season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for six regular season games. Full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Accrued seasons apply to free agency, and are the determining factor in a player’s status as an unrestricted free agent versus a restricted free agent. Any player with one accrued season is considered to be a veteran. Credited season A credited season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for three regular season games. Again, full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Credited seasons are used for determining pension eligibility and amount as well as determining a player’s minimum salary eligibility. With three or more credited seasons, players are vested and eligible to collect a pension. Ah, the hell with it. Wasted too much time already. Neither of these mention being on 46 man active roster, but the one I can't find now did. Damn the CBA is confusing as hell. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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09-07-2016, 03:02 PM	#24
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Looks like it's just 6 games of the season. K Major likes this.

09-07-2016, 05:30 PM	#25
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Vested Veteran – A Vested Veteran is a player with four (4) or more years of accrued service time. The difficult part is finding the correct definition of accrued service time. You have these but they seem to address free agency or pension definitions, not vesting. Accrued vs. credited seasons Accrued season An accrued season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for six regular season games. Full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Accrued seasons apply to free agency, and are the determining factor in a player’s status as an unrestricted free agent versus a restricted free agent. Any player with one accrued season is considered to be a veteran. Credited season A credited season is defined as any season in which a player is under contract at full pay status for three regular season games. Again, full pay status includes the active and inactive rosters and the Injured Reserve list. Credited seasons are used for determining pension eligibility and amount as well as determining a player’s minimum salary eligibility. With three or more credited seasons, players are vested and eligible to collect a pension. Ah, the hell with it. Wasted too much time already. Neither of these mention being on 46 man active roster, but the one I can't find now did. Damn the CBA is confusing as hell. Yeah the rules defining "veteran" and pensions are all I have ever seen anywhere. So I can only surmise that the normal rules for a credited season apply to the vested vet rule. That was my assumption, and searching yielded no further clarity. If it doesn't apply, there sure doesn't seem to be any info on it.

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09-08-2016, 02:42 PM	#26
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,017 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Saints finally get their man by landing cornerback Sterling Moore \| Saints \| theadvocate.com Never realized the Saints had their eye on him for quite some time.

09-08-2016, 02:49 PM	#27
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints I always liked Moore. I don't understand why we couldn't keep Finnigan to go with Moore.

09-08-2016, 02:54 PM	#28
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,017 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by halloween 65 I always liked Moore. I don't understand why we couldn't keep Finnigan to go with Moore. +1. I thought Finnegan had a fine camp and earned a roster spot. He still has a lot of dog left in him. Maybe he gets called back next week ... maybe not. halloween 65 likes this.

09-08-2016, 03:03 PM	#29
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints The rookies have played fairly well but are not proven like Finnegan. You might be right if one of them get eaten alive.

09-08-2016, 03:04 PM	#30
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,905 Blog Entries: 3	Re: CB Sterling Moore signs with New Orleans Saints Yeah you'd think they could have let go of one of the 17 running backs in favor of keeping Finnegan. I was not expecting them to keep Murphy, but I can't imagine why Cadet needs to be on the team. RockyMountainSaint and halloween 65 like this.

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