Don't think our defense is improving?

blackangold · 11-07-2016, 03:32 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

It's definitely players. You can't have DB's playing man and LB's playing zone which is what happened on both long TDs. On one it looked like Robertson dropped in zone and Vaccaro was playing man.

You say it's players but everything you describe goes back to scheme.

The Dude · 11-07-2016, 03:43 PM

There is no debate, our defense has VASTLY improved. I would love to see them if they had the defensive backs we started camp with.

Budsdrinker · 11-07-2016, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

You say it's players but everything you describe goes back to scheme.

To my knowledge, there isn't or there dam well shouldn't be a scheme where some players are in man and some in zone. You all have to be on the same page and in the same coverage to be successful.

dizzle88 · 11-07-2016, 04:11 PM

Just read this stat;

The Saints defense has forced a league high 9 fumbles and are 9th in the league with 13 takeaways on the season.

Papa Voodoo · 11-07-2016, 04:51 PM

We're bottom dwellers on D, but they do seem to be improving which is a good sign. But, only 2-3 teams that are "good teams" this year are in the top 10-15 defensively. Dallas is clearly the best team right now overall.

blackangold · 11-07-2016, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Just read this stat;

The Saints defense has forced a league high 9 fumbles and are 9th in the league with 13 takeaways on the season.

Well that's a good stat.

K Major · 11-07-2016, 09:46 PM

Team Takeaway Giveaway Statistics: 2016 NFL Season

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-08-2016, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

We're bottom dwellers on D, but they do seem to be improving which is a good sign. But, only 2-3 teams that are "good teams" this year are in the top 10-15 defensively. Dallas is clearly the best team right now overall.

I think "bottom dwellers" is a bit of a snap judgement. In the last 4 games the defense has generated 7 turnovers and with the exception of the Panthers game has held the opposition to under 23 points a game for 3 straight games. Note that with both KC and Seattle that the offense gave up a turnover for a TD. So the defensive scoring against has been 20,13, and 23 points the last 3 games.

There are 3 crucial stats on defense: scoring, turnovers, and 3rd down percentage. scoring is down the last 3 games. Turnovers are up. and 3rd down percentage is ranked 14th in the entire league @ 38.9%

A hall of fame defense? Certainly not. But honestly, it has improved from flat terrible to adequate.

SFIAH

WillMacKenzie · 11-08-2016, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

I think "bottom dwellers" is a bit of a snap judgement. In the last 4 games the defense has generated 7 turnovers and with the exception of the Panthers game has held the opposition to under 23 points a game for 3 straight games. Note that with both KC and Seattle that the offense gave up a turnover for a TD. So the defensive scoring against has been 20,13, and 23 points the last 3 games.

There are 3 crucial stats on defense: scoring, turnovers, and 3rd down percentage. scoring is down the last 3 games. Turnovers are up. and 3rd down percentage is ranked 14th in the entire league @ 38.9%

A hall of fame defense? Certainly not. But honestly, it has improved from flat terrible to adequate.

SFIAH

I think the way the offense is playing really puts a lot of pressure on other teams to perform as well. That can only help our defense.

Crusader · 11-08-2016, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie

I think the way the offense is playing really puts a lot of pressure on other teams to perform as well. That can only help our defense.

Correct, its a huge pressure on an offense having to play catch up all the time during a game. It easily leads to stress and turnovers due to mistakes.

11-07-2016, 03:32 PM	#31
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by Budsdrinker It's definitely players. You can't have DB's playing man and LB's playing zone which is what happened on both long TDs. On one it looked like Robertson dropped in zone and Vaccaro was playing man. You say it's players but everything you describe goes back to scheme.

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Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by blackangold You say it's players but everything you describe goes back to scheme. To my knowledge, there isn't or there dam well shouldn't be a scheme where some players are in man and some in zone. You all have to be on the same page and in the same coverage to be successful.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by dizzle88 Just read this stat; The Saints defense has forced a league high 9 fumbles and are 9th in the league with 13 takeaways on the season. Well that's a good stat.

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo We're bottom dwellers on D, but they do seem to be improving which is a good sign. But, only 2-3 teams that are "good teams" this year are in the top 10-15 defensively. Dallas is clearly the best team right now overall. I think "bottom dwellers" is a bit of a snap judgement. In the last 4 games the defense has generated 7 turnovers and with the exception of the Panthers game has held the opposition to under 23 points a game for 3 straight games. Note that with both KC and Seattle that the offense gave up a turnover for a TD. So the defensive scoring against has been 20,13, and 23 points the last 3 games. There are 3 crucial stats on defense: scoring, turnovers, and 3rd down percentage. scoring is down the last 3 games. Turnovers are up. and 3rd down percentage is ranked 14th in the entire league @ 38.9% A hall of fame defense? Certainly not. But honestly, it has improved from flat terrible to adequate. SFIAH Crusader and WillMacKenzie like this.
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WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL I think "bottom dwellers" is a bit of a snap judgement. In the last 4 games the defense has generated 7 turnovers and with the exception of the Panthers game has held the opposition to under 23 points a game for 3 straight games. Note that with both KC and Seattle that the offense gave up a turnover for a TD. So the defensive scoring against has been 20,13, and 23 points the last 3 games. There are 3 crucial stats on defense: scoring, turnovers, and 3rd down percentage. scoring is down the last 3 games. Turnovers are up. and 3rd down percentage is ranked 14th in the entire league @ 38.9% A hall of fame defense? Certainly not. But honestly, it has improved from flat terrible to adequate. SFIAH I think the way the offense is playing really puts a lot of pressure on other teams to perform as well. That can only help our defense. Crusader likes this.

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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 7,983	Re: Don't think our defense is improving? Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie I think the way the offense is playing really puts a lot of pressure on other teams to perform as well. That can only help our defense. Correct, its a huge pressure on an offense having to play catch up all the time during a game. It easily leads to stress and turnovers due to mistakes.

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