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saintz08 01-31-2003 08:23 AM

Draft positions
 
Current picks
Broken down into teams

49ERS 26 57 89 124 156 187
BEARS 4 35 68 100 134 166 179 200
BENGALS 1 33 65 98 115 131 164 197
BILLS 48 79 111 146 177 210
BRONCOS 20 51 87 118 151 184 219
BROWNS 21 52 84 119 137 152 185
BUCCANEERS 64 97 130 163 195
CARDINALS 6 37 70 102 136 167 202
CHARGERS 15 46 80 112 144 178 216
CHIEFS 16 47 113 145 212
COLTS 24 58 90 122 157 188
COWBOYS 5 38 69 103 168 176 201 211
DOLPHINS 49 82 148 223 229
EAGLES 30 61 95 127 161 192 227
FALCONS 23 55 121 154 186 220
GIANTS 25 56 91 123 155 189 222
JAGUARS 8 39 72 104 138 169 204
JETS 22 53 85 120 153 183 217
LIONS 2 34 66 99 132 139 165 198
PACKERS 29 62 94 160 193 226
PANTHERS 9 45 76 108 114 140 171 209
PATRIOTS 14 19 54 86 116 128 135 150 181 207 218 (11)
RAIDERS 31 32 63 96 129 162 194 228
RAMS 12 43 74 106 143 174 199
RAVENS* 10 41 77 109 141 172 205
REDSKINS 13 44 75 107 175 208 214
SAINTS 17 18 50 78 81 147 180 213 221 (9 total)
SEAHAWKS* 11 42 73 110 142 173 206
STEELERS 27 59 92 125 158 190 224
TEXANS 3 36 67 83 88 101 117 133 149 182 196 215 230 (13)
TITANS 28 60 93 126 159 191 225
VIKINGS 7 40 71 105 170 203



http://www.thehuddlereport.com/2003...raftorderRD.htm

How do the Pats have 11 picks ??
Texans 13 ????

saintz08 01-31-2003 08:39 AM

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Interesting trade rumor ,

I think the Saints will shop Turley to the top 15 draft selections .

The Texans are in great need of a tackle and the Saints could drop down from there . The Denver trade including Turley has been rather hot and cold in the rumor mill .

saintz08 01-31-2003 09:28 AM

Draft positions
 
Here is a Mock draft stating the Texans desire to drop down .

1. Cincinnati Bengals

2-14

.547 Opponent Winning Percentage
Carson Palmer

QB

USC
Reports are coming from everywhere that the Bengals would like to trade out of this pick because they don\'t want to risk drafting another 1st round quarterback bust. The team wants a top DT and will look to trade down to secure one - Jimmy Kennedy, DeWayne Robertson, and Kevin Williams are reportedly at the top of their list. Among the teams looking to trade up to this spot are Chicago, Carolina, and possibly Denver or Green Bay...

2. Detroit Lions

3-13

.494 Opponent Winning Percentage
Charles Rogers

WR

Michigan State*
This seems like the best fit for both player and team of any potential pick in the draft. Rogers is the #1 talent on my board and would provide Harrington with a top flight weapon.

3. Houston Texans

4-12

.494 Opponent Winning Percentage
Jimmy Kennedy

DT

Penn State
Houston has made no secret of their interest in trading down from the #3 spot. They are looking primarily at offensive line, defensive line, and offensive playmakers with their 1st round pick. Assuming they stay here, I see them looking to improve their defense with the top defensive tackle in the draft.

4. Chicago Bears

4-12

.522 Opponent Winning Percentage
Byron Leftwich

QB

Marshall
Regardless of whether they remain at #4 or trade up, if the Bears have not added a legitimate starting caliber QB via free agency by draft day, they will almost surely take one with their first pick. Leftwich is the most NFL ready of the quarterbacks and would be a nice fit.

5. Dallas Cowboys

5-11

.500 Opponent Winning Percentage
Jordan Gross
OT
Utah With Parcells in the fold, the one guarantee is that the lines will be improved. While there is better value for this pick in Andre Johnson or Terrell Suggs, offensive line is the bigger need and Gross is the best of the class.

6. Arizona Cardinals

5-11

.500 Opponent Winning Percentage
Terrell Suggs
DE

Arizona State*
The Cardinals have plenty of decisions to make this off-season, especially on offense where their two most recognizable names - Jake Plummer and David Boston - are free agents. That said, for this team to improve, it needs to address its defensive line. Suggs would give the team the pass rusher they\'ve lacked since Simeon Rice left and would be a nice PR move, as well.

7. Minnesota Vikings

6-10

.498 Opponent Winning Percentage
Terence Newman

CB

Kansas State
Newman deserves to be a top five pick, but with teams looking at specific positions early on, he could slide into the Vikings\' lap. Minnesota would be elated to find Newman still on the board and would waste little time in selecting him.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars

6-10

.506 Opponent Winning Percentage
Andre Johnson

WR

Miami*
The Jaguars really missed Keenan McCardell\'s consistency this season. Andre Johnson could slide in and be the big play threat Jimmy Smith used to be.

9. Carolina Panthers

7-9

.486 Opponent Winning Percentage
Kyle Boller

QB

California
The Panthers will be in the running for the #1 pick sweepstakes, but if they remain at #9, they still might go quarterback with Boller. Boller has skyrocketed up the board with a spectacular senior season and Senior Bowl.

10. Seattle Seahawks

7-9

.506 Opponent Winning Percentage
DeWayne Robertson

DT

Kentucky*
Seattle will address the defensive line or middle linebacker with this pick. Defensive line will almost certainly be the pick. Robertson is built like and stuffs the run like former Seahawk great Cortez Kennedy.

11. Baltimore Ravens

7-9

.506 Opponent Winning Percentage
Rex Grossman

QB

Florida*
The Ravens will be looking to address the OL, WR, and QB positions in this draft. With questions surrounding Redman\'s health, a future QB is suddenly a considerably bigger question mark. Grossman, like the other quarterbacks, should make a nice move up the board and would be a good fit here.

12. St. Louis Rams

7-9

.508 Opponent Winning Percentage
Kwame Harris

OT

Stanford*
The underlying factor in the Rams disappointing lack of consistency this season has been the injuries and lack of consistent depth along the offensive line. Harris is arguably the top offensive lineman in this draft and could provide the club with a lot of flexibility at both tackle positions.

13. Washington Redskins

7-9

.527 Opponent Winning Percentage
Taylor Jacobs

WR

Florida
The Redskins are nearly devoid of talent at the wide receiver position. Last season Spurrier waded through several quarterbacks until he found one he liked. This year, he shouldn\'t have as many problems finding a receiver he likes. Jacobs knows the offense and could make an immediate impact.

14. New England Patriots (from Buffalo Bills)

8-8

.473 Opponent Winning Percentage (Bills\' numbers)
Eric Steinbach

OT/OG

Iowa
The Patriots have several holes to fill in this draft, and fortunately for them have the picks to do it. Running back is also a concern but with RB strong teams selecting over the next 4 spots, the Patriots should take their other \"need pick\" here. Steinbach is soaring up the charts after a nice Senior Bowl week at both guard and tackle.

15. San Diego Chargers

8-8

.492 Opponent Winning Percentage
Kevin Williams
DT

Oklahoma State
The Chargers missed John Parrella\'s run stuffing ability more than they might like to admit. Kevin Williams has gone from a possible Day Two pick to a 1st round choice with a dominating Senior Bowl week. Always blessed with talent, a motivator like Schottenheimer could be just the trick to keep him playing hard.

16. Kansas City Chiefs

8-8

.527 Opponent Winning Percentage
Michael Haynes
DE

Penn State


The Chiefs would have been in the playoffs if their defense had been merely adequate this season. It wasn\'t and thus, the team will look to add playmakers on all levels of the defense in this draft. Haynes is a playmaker, but is also the consistent, intelligent, hardworking type of player Vermeil would feel comfortable bringing into the fold.

17. New Orleans Saints

9-7

.498 Opponent Winning Percentage
Marcus Trufant

CB

Washington State
The Saints will address their defensive backfield in this draft. Trufant has solidified himself as the #2 cornerback of the draft and would be a bargain, at this point.

18. New Orleans Saints (from Miami)

9-7

.508 Opponent Winning Percentage (Dolphins\' numbers)
Terry Pierce

LB

Kansas State

The Saints are one of the more physically talented teams in the league, but cannot seem to play an entire season without an extended losing streak. One of their biggest problems is that the defense is so concerned with rushing the passer, they forget to stop the run. Pierce has the athleticism to rush the passer, play the pass, and stuff the run, as well.

19. New England Patriots

9-7

.525 Opponent Winning Percentage
Larry Johnson
RB
Penn State Look for the club to take an offensive or defensive lineman first as of the teams with picks #15-18 also have OL/DL concerns, and look to add Johnson either the other position (OL/DL) or their top rated RB. With each of the teams at #15-18 already blessed with great young running backs, the Pats\' anticipated gamble should pay off, netting them Johnson.

20. Denver Broncos

9-7

.527 Opponent Winning Percentage
Chris Simms

QB

Texas
With the anticipated release of Griese, the team will be looking to add a high caliber quarterback early in this draft. Simms has the talent to be a very good quarterback in this league and Denver is the best possible destination for any rookie quarterback - with a top flight veteran in front to learn from, a super coaching staff, and plenty of offensive weapons, as well.

21. Cleveland Browns

9-7

+24 Pt. Diff.

Jason Witten
TE

Tennessee
The Browns would like to get a top flight LT or a shut down corner out of this pick, but barring a trade, it isn\'t likely to happen. That said, don\'t be surprised if the the club elects to go with Witten. He would add a needed dimension to this club\'s offense and would be a nice value pick here.

22. New York Jets

9-7

+23 Pt. Diff.
Boss Bailey

OLB

Georgia
The Jets would like to add some athleticism and versatility to their linebacking corps. If Bailey performs in workouts as expected, he will skyrocket up the board.

23. Atlanta Falcons

9-6-1

+88 Pt. Diff.
William Joseph

DT
Miami The Falcons desperately need to add wide receivers and defensive line talent to their roster. Dan Reeves has never been an advocate of taking WRs early, so the club will most likely focus on the defensive line here and leave the wide receiver position up to free agency.

24. Indianapolis Colts

10-6

+36 Pt. Diff.
Kenny Peterson
DT/DE

Ohio State
The improvement of the Indianapolis defense was obvious, but also obvious is the fact that the team needs more talent and flexibility along the defensive line. Peterson is both talented and versatile and is a nice value pick here.

25. New York Giants

10-6

+41 Pt. Diff.


Jerome McDougle

DE

Miami
The Kenny Holmes experiment has seen moments of brilliant play, but has all too often been surrounded by hours of forgettable play, as well. McDougle is a legitimate pass rusher and would finally give the club someone to take the pressure off of Strahan.

26. San Francisco 49ers

10-6

+16 Pt. Diff.
Johnathan Sullivan
DT

Georgia
San Francisco will look to continue a 1st round theme of defensive linemen. If Sullivan is remaining on the board at #26, the Niners likely won\'t wait long. Don\'t be surprised by a wide receiver selection, here either - especially if Kelley Washington\'s neck gets cleared medically.

27. Pittsburgh Steelers

10-5-1

+45 Pt. Diff.
Andre Woolfolk

CB

Oklahoma
The Steelers would like to add to their defensive backfield this off-season. Woolfolk is among the draft\'s top pure athletes and may be selected much higher than this. Concerns about his relative inexperience could cause him to drop lower than his potential warrants. The Steelers have the depth to allow a young athlete like Woolfolk to learn and develop slowly.

28. Tennessee Titans

11-5

+43 Pt. Diff.
Bryant Johnson

WR

Penn State
With questions surrounding their wide receiver corps, adding a talented and NFL-ready wide receiver would seem like a no-brainer, at this point. Teams are up and down on Johnson, but he could be a great fit here.

29. Green Bay Packers

12-4

+70 Pt. Diff.
E.J. Henderson

LB

Maryland
That the club will look for linebacker help is no surprise. That EJ Henderson could be available this late, might surprise many. Questions still linger about Henderson\'s back and forty speed. If there are any blips on the Henderson radar screen, there are several other linebackers who could leapfrog him. The Packers hope to be this lucky. Back questions and forty time aside, this kid is a helluva football player.

30. Philadelphia Eagles

12-4

+174 Pt. Diff.
Teyo Johnson
TE

Stanford*
The most obvious difference between the Eagles and Bucs in the NFC Championship game was Tampa\'s ability to spread the ball. Johnson is undersized and lacks blocking skills, but his receiving ability would open up the middle for the Eagles. For a team this close to glory, a specialist like Johnson makes sense.

31. Oakland Raiders

11-5

+146 Pt. Diff.

Anquan Boldin

WR

Florida State*
While the current trio of Tim Brown, Jerry Rice, and Jerry Porter is one of the league\'s best, only Porter will last another two years. The Raiders will look to add another young talented receiver in this draft and can afford to groom him. Thus, they\'ll look for a superb athlete that fits the WCO mold. Boldin has a great upside.

32. Oakland Raiders (from Tampa Bay Buccaneers)



12-4

+150 Pt. Diff. (TB numbers)
Nick Eason
DL

Clemson
With back to back picks at the end of the first round, the Raiders have plenty of options. Two players that will get consideration are medical question marks, Kelly Washington and Willis McGahee. If the club elects to pass on these two, however, a talented and versatile defensive lineman like Eason makes a lot of sense.





saintz08 01-31-2003 09:32 AM

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This has the Denver scenario :

GONE

1. OT Kyle Turley 6\'5\" 295- His WWF antics have alienated him from the local media and even some teammates. With only one year left on his deal and the fact that he has given the Saints no indication that he wants to continue blocking for a \"QB that can\'t do his job.\" A trade appears to be the best option for the Saints. Here are the most likely situations for a trade...

Chargers- He has stated numerous times that he would love to play in front of his hometown crowd and with Damion McIntosh, a RFA who is still learning the position, returning at LT. They definitely need to upgrade if they want to win now. Turley and Vaughn Parker would be a good set of bookends for a mere first rounder.

Texans- The number #3 overall pick is too much for Turley, but if they trade down with a team like Denver then the #20 pick would be worth it. The Texans have Tony Boselli, who hasn\'t played in two years, and Ryan Tucker, an UFA that wants a big money deal, manning the OT spots. A swingman like Turley would be a perfect fit for their situation.

Broncos- They want a long term solution at LT and are unhappy with Emphraim Salaam. Turley would fit their offense like a glove and could be a great addition for them.


pakowitz 02-01-2003 12:19 AM

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i agree with gator, henderson at 29? not a chance, the pack would sheet on theirselves if that were to happen

saintz08 02-01-2003 12:57 AM

Draft positions
 
How about PFW

Pro Football Weekly


As opposed to last year, when there was little movement at the top of the draft order, this year could be quite volatile due to the fact that there isn\'t a clear-cut No. 1. Some say USC quarterback Carson Palmer is the best, but even he has his detractors.

As a result, teams that need to upgrade their roster at several positions like Cincinnati (No. 1), Houston (No. 3) and Chicago (No. 4) could trade down for more picks.

Three of the biggest movers and shakers could be the teams with multiple first-round picks -- New England (Nos. 14, 19), New Orleans (Nos. 17, 18) and Oakland (Nos. 31, 32).

With offenses around the league continuing to depend more and more on the passing game, look for premiums to be placed on pass rushers (defensive ends), pass defenders (cornerbacks) and pass protectors (offensive tackles).

This also looks to be an exceptional year for quarterback talent with as many as nine or 10 signal-callers projected to go in the top half of the draft.

Finally, one of the most intriguing questions in this draft is: where will Miami (Fla.) running back Willis McGahee get drafted? Despite seriously injuring his knee in the Fiesta Bowl, the Heisman Trophy finalist still made himself eligible for this year\'s draft. Before the injury, he was a top-five pick. It will be interesting to see how teams measure the risk involved in drafting damaged goods.


FIRST-ROUND PROJECTIONS
The Pick The Skinny
1. Cincinnati Bengals
QB Carson Palmer USC

Whether the Bengals hold on to the pick or not, Palmer is the consensus No. 1 pick. The Bears could trade up and claim the Heisman Trophy winner.

2. Detroit Lions
WR Charles Rogers Michigan State

The Lions\' staff says it must find a playmaker with its first pick, though the team wouldn\'t mind moving out of this slot. If Rogers is there, his combination of size and speed would be perfect when paired with QB Joey Harrington.

3. Houston Texans
OT Jordan Gross Utah

Even though Tony Boselli has promised Dom Capers that he will be on the field in 2003, the Texans are proceeding as if Boselli won\'t be around. Gross, when paired with Ryan Young and Boselli, would give offensive coordinator Chris Palmer the protection he desires for David Carr.

4. Chicago Bears
DT Jimmy Kennedy Penn State

General manager Jerry Angelo hasn\'t exactly been forthcoming about his desire, or lack of, to bring in a young quarterback. Leftwich might tempt the Bears if they cannot get Palmer, but defensive tackle is another need.

5 Dallas Cowboys
CB Terence Newman Kansas State

The Cowboys\' secondary was weak last season, and Bill Parcells will address that unless Gross or Kennedy fall to fifth. Third-round find Derek Ross panned out as a rookie in 2002 and Newman could help give the secondary additional clout.

6. Arizona Cardinals
DE Terrell Suggs Arizona State

A natural fit because he is a home-grown kid. Suggs\' speed off the edge is much-needed, benefiting DT Wendell Bryant and DE Kyle Vanden Bosch.

7. Minnesota Vikings
CB Marcus Trufant Washington St.

His stock hiked by a strong Senior Bowl showing, Trufant would give the Vikings something they haven\'t had in years -- a shutdown corner. Trufant has speed and cover skills that legitimize the Vikings\' secondary immediately.

8. Jacksonville Jaguars
WR Andre Johnson Miami

Jimmy Smith lost a step and the offense lacked a No. 2 receiver. If Terrell Suggs is available, the Jags could snag him to bolster their pass rush.



9. Carolina Panthers
QB Byron Leftwich Marshall

This would be the steal of the draft if Leftwich dropped this far. The Panthers must address the QB position, but running back, wide receiver and secondary are other options.

10. Baltimore Ravens (subject to coin flip)
OL Eric Steinbach Iowa

Best feet of any offensive lineman in the draft. Built more like a tight end, but has the strength to move defenders off the ball. If the team falls in love with a receiver, it could grab someone to line up opposite of Travis Taylor.

11. Seattle Seahawks (subject to coin flip)
DT William Joseph Miami

Team\'s key needs are considered big defensive tackle and big-time defensive end. Provides pass rush from DE position and can play the run.

12. St. Louis Rams
OT Kwame Harris Stanford

Offensive line was a sieve most of last year and could lose depth via free agency. Harris would provide a bookend on the right side with Orlando Pace, almost a lock to return at left offensive tackle. Playmaking linebacker is also a consideration because Jamie Duncan and Robert Thomas were disappointing in trying to fill London Fletcher\'s void.

13. Washington Redskins
WR Taylor Jacobs Florida

Reunited with former Florida head coach Steve Spurrier, who needs a playmaker to stretch the field and pair with Rod Gardner.

14. New England Patriots (from Buffalo)
DT Kevin Williams Oklahoma St.

Active interior defensive lineman could be perfect alongside third-year DT Richard Seymour. Running back and cornerback are considerations if the team believes it can get good value at this spot.

15. San Diego Chargers
OT George Foster Georgia

Defensive tackle is a top consideration, but Foster\'s athleticism and size could pique John Butler\'s interest. However, Foster has health concerns and must pass the usual poking and prodding at the Scouting Combine.

16. Kansas City Chiefs
LB E.J. Henderson Maryland

The top linebacker on the board, Henderson fits Kansas City\'s most pressing need. The Chiefs will hunt for linebackers in free agency, which could lead them toward an outside linebacker in the draft.

17. New Orleans Saints
CB Andre Woolfolk Oklahoma


The Saints\' secondary was abysmal and New Orleans has to love the upside of Woolfolk, a converted wide receiver.

18. New Orleans Saints (from Miami)
LB Gerald Hayes Pittsburgh


Defensive picks will keep coming when your defense allows 20 or more points in each of its 16 games. Jim Haslett, a former linebacker from Western Pennsylvania, will fall in love with Hayes\' toughness.

19. New England Patriots
RB Larry Johnson Penn State

It was clear the Patriots were not sold on Antowain Smith. Johnson is a power back that can make people miss in the hole. Johnson is a decent receiver out of the backfield as well.

20. Denver Broncos
DE Chris Kelsay Nebraska

High character with great motor is a nice fit at defensive end opposite Trevor Pryce. Kelsay has good speed as a pass rusher.

21. Cleveland Browns
DL Jerome McDougle Miami

Butch Davis and Pete Garcia recruited McDougle at Miami (Fla.) and know what he can do. There is a chance McDougle will come off the board earlier but the Browns need a McDougle-type because of health questions surrounding Courtney Brown and the lack of production from DT Gerard Warren.

22. New York Jets
DT Dewayne Robertson Kentucky

Wide-body that can disrupt in a two-gap alignment. Robertson and DTs Josh Evans and Jason Ferguson make for a nice interior and would take pressure off of DE John Abraham.

23. Atlanta Falcons
S Mike Doss Ohio State

The Falcons are likely to add a big-play wide receiver via free agency from a crop that could include David Boston and Peerless Price. This pick would fall under the umbrella of best available athlete. Doss is physical and a model fit for Wade Phillips\' 3-4 defense.

24. Indianapolis Colts
LB Boss Bailey Georgia

A cornerback might be more appealing if Mike Peterson returns, but Tony Dungy has to love Bailey\'s speed on the outside.

25. New York Giants
DT Rien Long Washington St.

An active player whose body is still under construction, Long is a logical fit here and would replace veteran DT Keith Hamilton.

26. San Francisco 49ers
DE Michael Haynes Penn State

Despite the steady development of Andre Carter, the 49ers are in need of a viable pass rush. Though Tai Streets had his best season in the NFL, he is a free agent and could force the Niners to go receiver.

27. Pittsburgh Steelers
CB Sammy Davis Texas A&M

Active cornerback who makes more than his share of plays. The Steelers need quality at this position in the worst way.

28. Tennessee Titans
RB Lee Suggs Virginia Tech

Floyd Reese will take the best available player, and could draft a wide receiver here. However, Suggs combines the running styles of Eddie George and Robert Holcombe, who rotated in the Titans\' backfield the second half of the season.

29. Green Bay Packers
QB Kyle Boller California

Typical West Coast offense quarterback whose stock rose during the Senior Bowl. Boller has size and arm strength and could learn behind Brett Favre for a year or two before becoming the starter.

30. Philadelphia Eagles
WR Brandon Lloyd Illinois

Donovan McNabb is in desperate need of a consistent, play-making wide receiver. Freddie Mitchell hasn\'t risen to the occasion and Antonio Freeman is a free agent. Inside linebacker is a need for Jim Johnson\'s defense.

31. Oakland Raiders
S Troy Polamalu USC

Big hitter who can cover and play the run. With Rod Woodson near the rocking chair and Anthony Dorsett due a large roster bonus, the Raiders need help behind Charles Woodson and Phillip Buchanon.


32. Oakland Raiders (from Tampa Bay)
DT Jonathan Sullivan Georgia

A near 300-pounder, Sullivan is quick off the ball and loves to attack. A quarterback could come off the board here, but with Sam Adams\' future uncertain, Sullivan would be great value this late in the first round.


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