Joe Horn wants to be a Falcon ...

FireVenturi · 03-15-2005, 01:38 PM

I think you missed Who\'s sarcasm. Who believes this team that is only 5 mil under the cap should not only keep Howard at 7.8 mil or sign him to the deal he wants(ya know with the 16 mil bonus), but pay Horn top 5 money which he has demanded, and find room to sign draft picks. But screw a new contract for Deuce or LeCharles like the front office promised. Let them sit a year and go back on your word.

I agree with whodi.....hey Joe don\'t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!! Although i would love to keep him ,but not for top 5 money....7-10 range or later Hollywood!

WhoDat · 03-15-2005, 02:01 PM

I agree with whodi.....hey Joe don\'t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!! Although i would love to keep him ,but not for top 5 money....7-10 range or later Hollywood!

Oh, I see, top 5 money is not OK, but top 7 money is. That makes sense.

The highest paid WR in the NFL is Randy Moss. He makes 8.6 million a year on average. Fifth highest is T.O. - he makes 7.2 million a year. Horn currently makes an average of 4 million. So I guess it\'s OK to pay Joe Horn 6.5 million or 7 million a season, but paying him 7.2 million a season is just too much. Who, exactly, do you guys think the Saints are going to sign for $200,000 to $700,000 a season that will make the loss of Joe Horn worth it???

FireVenturi · 03-15-2005, 02:04 PM

4 million...... he should play out his contract!!!!or hit the road jack!!!!!!

WhoDat · 03-15-2005, 02:04 PM

Let them sit a year and go back on your word.

Oh yeah - this has a whole lot to do with the team\'s honor huh? Didn\'t they promise Howard a contract BEFORE the franchised him LAST SEASON, and then again AFTER they franchised him LAST season?

saintswhodi · 03-15-2005, 02:05 PM

you must not be talking to me, cause I wouldn\'t guarantee Joe the 7-10 range. I would make offer him a contract with incentives that reach top 5 range if he puts up numbers similar to those he already has. To me, that is the most fair deal for Joe and the team. You keep producing these numbers, you keep getting paid like it. You don\'t keep these numbers, you don\'t get paid like it. But Joe\'s comments are that he wants a top 5 contract no ifs ands or buts. Mike Williams would come cheaper than that. Trade Joe to Minny for a shot at him. I will bet anything this time next season, and 5 years from now when Mike can still play, you will be saying Joe who?

WhoDat · 03-15-2005, 02:05 PM

4 million...... he should play out his contract!!!!or hit the road jack!!!!!!

His contract actually costs the team something close to $6 million this season actually. So you\'re OK with him costing the team $6 million this year, but not next year or the year after? Makes perfect sense.

saintswhodi · 03-15-2005, 02:07 PM

Oh yeah - this has a whole lot to do with the team\'s honor huh? Didn\'t they promise Howard a contract BEFORE the franchised him LAST SEASON, and then again AFTER they franchised him LAST season?

If you haven\'t noticed, Howard wants a deal similar to Grant Wistrom\'s but more. Seattle way overpaid for Wistrom. So WhoDat would give a 16 mil bonus to Darren Howard, which he is asking for? Wow dude. I really and truly am starting belive you do not think a cap is in effect. And I have a lot of respect for you and your opinion Who. Just wow man.

FireVenturi · 03-15-2005, 02:14 PM

4 million...... he should play out his contract!!!!or hit the road jack!!!!!!

His contract actually costs the team something close to $6 million this season actually. So you\'re OK with him costing the team $6 million this year, but not next year or the year after? Makes perfect sense.

Actually no then...6 mil is too much he can stay for 4 million. i just noticed u put avg of 4 mil...sorry. WOW 6 Million!!!!!! NO WAY IN HE!! LATER JOEEEEEEE

FireVenturi · 03-15-2005, 02:19 PM

4 million...... he should play out his contract!!!!or hit the road jack!!!!!!

His contract actually costs the team something close to $6 million this season actually. So you\'re OK with him costing the team $6 million this year, but not next year or the year after? Makes perfect sense.

Actually it would make sense to pay a 33 yr old 6 mil rather than a 34 or 35 yr old!!! I would just love to see him play his contract out. would rather resign Deuce and Lecharles

WhoDat · 03-15-2005, 02:31 PM

So WhoDat would give a 16 mil bonus to Darren Howard, which he is asking for? Wow dude. I really and truly am starting belive you do not think a cap is in effect. And I have a lot of respect for you and your opinion Who. Just wow man.

You\'ve been hanging around with Billy too much. Show me where I ever said that I would pay Howard what he\'s asking. I said it won\'t hurt my feelings to see Howard stay and play under the franchise tag. He played under the tag last season - I didn\'t hear anyone complaining while he was leading the team in sacks.

This is why I dislike the offseason. Things get blown out of proportion. All of a sudden the prospect of having to play with two Pro Bowlers next season translates into certain doom.

Right, b/c if the Saints trade Howard and Horn right now, they will DEFINITELY sign another WR of the #1 starting top 5 or even top 10 variety AND they\'ll sign a stud LB AND they\'ll come to terms with Deuce and Bentley and McKenzie overnight. Sure they will. You guys are basing these beliefs on what? Past performance of the team??

Considering how little credit people here have given Loomis and Haslett, I can\'t understand why you would want them making any changes - they certainly haven\'t made very good ones in the past.

03-15-2005, 01:38 PM	#11
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Joe Horn wants to be a Falcon ... I think you missed Who\'s sarcasm. Who believes this team that is only 5 mil under the cap should not only keep Howard at 7.8 mil or sign him to the deal he wants(ya know with the 16 mil bonus), but pay Horn top 5 money which he has demanded, and find room to sign draft picks. But screw a new contract for Deuce or LeCharles like the front office promised. Let them sit a year and go back on your word. I agree with whodi.....hey Joe don\'t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!! Although i would love to keep him ,but not for top 5 money....7-10 range or later Hollywood!

03-15-2005, 02:01 PM	#12
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Joe Horn wants to be a Falcon ... I agree with whodi.....hey Joe don\'t let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya!! Although i would love to keep him ,but not for top 5 money....7-10 range or later Hollywood! Oh, I see, top 5 money is not OK, but top 7 money is. That makes sense. The highest paid WR in the NFL is Randy Moss. He makes 8.6 million a year on average. Fifth highest is T.O. - he makes 7.2 million a year. Horn currently makes an average of 4 million. So I guess it\'s OK to pay Joe Horn 6.5 million or 7 million a season, but paying him 7.2 million a season is just too much. Who, exactly, do you guys think the Saints are going to sign for $200,000 to $700,000 a season that will make the loss of Joe Horn worth it???
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"

03-15-2005, 02:04 PM	#13
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Joe Horn wants to be a Falcon ... 4 million...... he should play out his contract!!!!or hit the road jack!!!!!!

03-15-2005, 02:04 PM	#14
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Joe Horn wants to be a Falcon ... Let them sit a year and go back on your word. Oh yeah - this has a whole lot to do with the team\'s honor huh? Didn\'t they promise Howard a contract BEFORE the franchised him LAST SEASON, and then again AFTER they franchised him LAST season?
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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Joe Horn wants to be a Falcon ... you must not be talking to me, cause I wouldn\'t guarantee Joe the 7-10 range. I would make offer him a contract with incentives that reach top 5 range if he puts up numbers similar to those he already has. To me, that is the most fair deal for Joe and the team. You keep producing these numbers, you keep getting paid like it. You don\'t keep these numbers, you don\'t get paid like it. But Joe\'s comments are that he wants a top 5 contract no ifs ands or buts. Mike Williams would come cheaper than that. Trade Joe to Minny for a shot at him. I will bet anything this time next season, and 5 years from now when Mike can still play, you will be saying Joe who?

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03-15-2005, 02:07 PM	#17
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Joe Horn wants to be a Falcon ... Oh yeah - this has a whole lot to do with the team\'s honor huh? Didn\'t they promise Howard a contract BEFORE the franchised him LAST SEASON, and then again AFTER they franchised him LAST season? If you haven\'t noticed, Howard wants a deal similar to Grant Wistrom\'s but more. Seattle way overpaid for Wistrom. So WhoDat would give a 16 mil bonus to Darren Howard, which he is asking for? Wow dude. I really and truly am starting belive you do not think a cap is in effect. And I have a lot of respect for you and your opinion Who. Just wow man.

03-15-2005, 02:14 PM	#18
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Joe Horn wants to be a Falcon ... 4 million...... he should play out his contract!!!!or hit the road jack!!!!!! His contract actually costs the team something close to $6 million this season actually. So you\'re OK with him costing the team $6 million this year, but not next year or the year after? Makes perfect sense. Actually no then...6 mil is too much he can stay for 4 million. i just noticed u put avg of 4 mil...sorry. WOW 6 Million!!!!!! NO WAY IN HE!! LATER JOEEEEEEE

03-15-2005, 02:19 PM	#19
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Joe Horn wants to be a Falcon ... 4 million...... he should play out his contract!!!!or hit the road jack!!!!!! His contract actually costs the team something close to $6 million this season actually. So you\'re OK with him costing the team $6 million this year, but not next year or the year after? Makes perfect sense. Actually it would make sense to pay a 33 yr old 6 mil rather than a 34 or 35 yr old!!! I would just love to see him play his contract out. would rather resign Deuce and Lecharles

03-15-2005, 02:31 PM	#20
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Joe Horn wants to be a Falcon ... So WhoDat would give a 16 mil bonus to Darren Howard, which he is asking for? Wow dude. I really and truly am starting belive you do not think a cap is in effect. And I have a lot of respect for you and your opinion Who. Just wow man. You\'ve been hanging around with Billy too much. Show me where I ever said that I would pay Howard what he\'s asking. I said it won\'t hurt my feelings to see Howard stay and play under the franchise tag. He played under the tag last season - I didn\'t hear anyone complaining while he was leading the team in sacks. This is why I dislike the offseason. Things get blown out of proportion. All of a sudden the prospect of having to play with two Pro Bowlers next season translates into certain doom. Right, b/c if the Saints trade Howard and Horn right now, they will DEFINITELY sign another WR of the #1 starting top 5 or even top 10 variety AND they\'ll sign a stud LB AND they\'ll come to terms with Deuce and Bentley and McKenzie overnight. Sure they will. You guys are basing these beliefs on what? Past performance of the team?? Considering how little credit people here have given Loomis and Haslett, I can\'t understand why you would want them making any changes - they certainly haven\'t made very good ones in the past.
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	\"Excuses, excuses, excuses. ThatÃ¢Â€Â™s all anyone ever makes for the New Orleans SaintsÃ¢Â€Â™ organization.\" - Eric Narcisse \"Being a Saints fan is almost like being addicted to crack,\" he said.[i]\"You know you should stop, but you just can\'t.\"