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Old 04-18-2017, 07:18 AM   #171
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We absolutely must not draft a lineman with a less than average broad jump!


Wait, what?
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Old 04-18-2017, 10:57 AM   #172
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Didn't have time for extended visit? Hmmm...

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Old 04-18-2017, 12:50 PM   #173
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Re: 2017 New Orleans Saints Draft - Scouting Prospect Visits, Bowl Games

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We absolutely must not draft a lineman with a less than average broad jump!


Wait, what?
Who said that's important alone. However, excelling in at least half or doing well in three of the four goes a long way. There is nothing on cones and shuttles, and I didn't think arm and hand size is that big of a deal, not to us at least so I did not factor those.

Regardless, Lawson is a distant 4.67 from Willis's 4.53. If speed is important(and for a DE it has to be), then it's best to get Willis if not Garrett or one of the other highly ranked DEs in round 1.

I will be comparing Lawson to the other two DEs. There is also one other DE who hasn't been top in any one thing but has been among the top five in three of four and top seven in the other(just four reps off): Derek Rivers. So I may look at him too.
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Old 04-18-2017, 02:25 PM   #174
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
Didn't have time for extended visit? Hmmm...

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Old 04-18-2017, 03:42 PM   #175
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Storm Norton, now there's a name for a lineman!
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Old 04-18-2017, 06:55 PM   #176
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For the three other guys slated for round 1............
Solomon Thomas, Stanford
Derek Barnett, Tennessee
Taco Charlton, Michigan

I will get to the clips afterward, here are the four drill ranks

40 time
Solomon Thomas is only listed on the front page at CBS.com's rankings. He is at 4.69. On the second page, Barnett is at 4.88 and Charlton at 4.92.

Bench Reps
Thomas again is the highest. He is tied with Rivers at third with 30 reps. Charlton is sixth with 25. Barnett did not participate.

Vertical Jump
Thomas, again, highest, with 35 inches at fourth. Charlton is 8th with 33 and Barnett is 16th with 31.

Broad Jump
Thomas is fourth with 125 inches. Barnett and Charlton 12th and 15th respectively with 116 and 115 inches each.

Comparing Thomas to Willis
Willis leads Thomas by a bit in the 40 times, trails him by 6 reps, leads by four inches in the vertical jump and trails by one inch in the broad jump. The advantage to Thomas is the bench reps and the advantage to Willis is the 40 time. Willis has had the better combine.

Now, comparing Thomas to Derek Rivers, Youngstown State
Rivers tied him in two(vertical jump and bench reps), leads in the 40 time by .8 seconds and trails in the broad jump by 2 inches. With the broad least of these four, Rivers also has the better combine and can be had in round 3 possibly.

Willis vs.Thomas
Willis .8 himself in the 40 time, trails by six reps in the bench, leads by 4 inches in the vertical jump, and is up one in the broad jump.

Now on to some game tapes
Solomon Thomas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=d44WGObcnaQ

He was overshadowed by better defensive players. And often when he got to the qb the qb got out of the pocket. I don't know if he's a solution opposite Jordan to try to contain Newton and Bridgewater, the two read-option QBs on our schedule.

Derek Barnett
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...e=8&v=tEDD4bmY
Even worse, his best play came at the last possession stand in the fourth when he knocked the ball away. He also has let the QBs get away. And the QB was still able to connect on plays where he was rattled(this is a message to our team that defense isn't gonna win everything especially with athletic QBs.).

Taco Charlton
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=SLWezZ1wS-0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=8tDyvspf4O0

In the first tape he looked great. But because he was playing Rutgers, I had to watch another one, against PSU, where he did not look as great. He was even taken out near the end of the game. He did not have the glaring errors the other two had such as letting the qb escape the pocket. PSU's o-line really kept him at bay.

Now, on to Rivers
For someone from a division II school he did just as well as these others against West Virginia. And the fact that he's popping up at the combines has to give him some merit. His draft stock is low because of his school. But he appears to be dedicated, which is why he could be someone the saints are looking at in the third or fourth round.

1.Willis
2.Thomas
3.Rivers
4.Charlton
5.Barnett

Next step is seeing who the saints privately worked out and what their impressions were among DEs.
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Old 04-23-2017, 07:50 PM   #177
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And out of those DEs, only Willis had a informal visit with the saints.
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Old 04-24-2017, 12:12 AM   #178
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Since there are only four SSs ranked in the first two rounds I will only look at those four first. Then, I will address the potential late gems.
Jamal Adams
Jabrill Peppers
Obi Melifonwu
Josh Jones.

40 yard
Obu Melifonwu, Conn, had a time of 4.41. Josh Jones, NCSU, had a 4.42, and Peppers, Michigan a 4.46. All three were in the top five with Melifonwu and Jones the top two. Adams, LSU, had a 4.56. With the times too close, I will present a clip of Melifonwu and Jones each...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=0x3Nb2UXqx8

What I noticed is Obi is a wait and reactionary player. He waits to see where the ball is going and moves in to tackle. This is what Vacarro does so I don't know if this is what we need but you can never have just one legit strong safety.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=MHUt0Wq-3pI
I will not include Notre Dame because he was virtually avoided in that one. In this he didn't appear to have many opportunities because he was surrounded by other playmakers. There was one play where he was not quick enough to keep a player out of the endzone, but he was outracing his teammates and barely missed the tackle before the score. Then, he intercepts a pass later and returns it for a good amount of yards. So unlike Melifonwu, Jones makes an attempt to go after the ball. However, which is more important? Getting turnovers or making tackles? Of course I vote turnovers but it's about what this FO wants really and I think they want tackles.

Bench reps
Jones had 20, Peppers 19, Adams 18, and Obi 17. All are within a range of four and in the top seven. Jones and Peppers were the top two. Here is a clip of Peppers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=AX56E0PkReQ

This is the worst of the three so far. He does not wait to see where the ball is going, he tries to go after the qb, moves around a bit and his lack of patience leads to him not making better tackles. He started this game off with a near bang though by playing some special teams and making a near return TD. But again, he lacks patience.

I will have to pick up tomorrow where I leave off with Adams because its bed time.
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Old 04-24-2017, 04:16 AM   #179
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SS Jamal Adams
SS Jabrill Peppers
SS Obi Melifonwu
SS Josh Jones.

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Old 04-24-2017, 02:20 PM   #180
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