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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; WhoDat, again I know Joe produces on the field. All I\'m saying is that Joe is a me first player who isn\'t worried about being a leader. I realize that every player isn\'t cut out to be a team leader. ...

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Old 03-19-2005, 11:37 PM   #21
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WhoDat, again I know Joe produces on the field. All I\'m saying is that Joe is a me first player who isn\'t worried about being a leader. I realize that every player isn\'t cut out to be a team leader. If everyone was a leader then who would follow? You can\'t have all chiefs and no indians. Having said that, it\'s essential that teams have at least some strong leaders. Whether those leaders are coaches or players doesn\'t really matter.

When a team doesn\'t have ANY leadership you get what we\'ve got, a talented team that can\'t get over the hump. Joe is a player that could and should be a strong leader. He\'s a truly great player. As you\'ve said many times before he\'s gone to four of the past five pro bowls. He has paid his dues and is an established star in this league. He has all the makings of being a great leader, except for his me first attitude. It comes down to the fact that he lacks class. Instead of handling team issues behind closed doors, he blasts the team in the media. He\'s always saying stupid things in the media. He\'s always showboating on the field and just acts like the biggest hotdog. The guy acts like a rookie! You would think that these guys would grow up and act like the\'ve been there before.

I used to love Joe Horn. He used to be one of my favorite players in the league. But something happened to Joe through the years. All that success got to his head. Now Joe thinks he\'s the second coming or something. I haven\'t given up on him though. There is still hope for him yet, he just needs to come back down to earth a little.

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Old 03-20-2005, 03:29 PM   #22
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It\'s been a while since I had had a chance to post. Workload keeping me busy.

As I stated a couple weeks ago, Loomis is not popular amongst players or other staff......I certainly can\'t stand him, but I know him. He\'s a bum. He\'s got no concept on personnel at all. Joe Horn said it right. What has Mickey done? Not a damn thing. All he did was stab Randy in the back to get his job and it has paid off for him. He\'s useless. One of the three worst GM\'s in the NFL by far. Horrible person. No character. This is something that is very personal to me.
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Old 03-21-2005, 02:54 AM   #23
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It\'s been a while since I had had a chance to post. Workload keeping me busy.

As I stated a couple weeks ago, Loomis is not popular amongst players or other staff......I certainly can\'t stand him, but I know him. He\'s a bum. He\'s got no concept on personnel at all. Joe Horn said it right. What has Mickey done? Not a damn thing. All he did was stab Randy in the back to get his job and it has paid off for him. He\'s useless. One of the three worst GM\'s in the NFL by far. Horrible person. No character. This is something that is very personal to me.

I really disagree with that...

Loomis may or may not be a \'\'nice guy\'\'..but He DOES keep this team under the cap extrememly well..better than most GM\'s ...and we are always able to be active in FA...We have not once been hindered by cap problems since He has been here..and that\'s pretty darn good...Far better than the \'\'Worst 3 in the NFL by far\'\' I can assure you.

He has overseen nearly every aspect of the Operations of the Franchise since his employment..and we have managed to stay competitive, and keep top notch talent on the team year in, year out..

I bet He finds a way to get our major 3 guys resigned(Bentley,McAllister,McKensie)..and STILL keep us safe as far as Cap room goes...

Whether or not He\'s \'\'nice\'\'is irrelevant...He does a good job...That\'s good enough...

I\'m not trying to pick at you CanLoomis...Me and other members had a discussion about this topic no more than a week or two ago..and many felt like Loomis was infact a pretty decent GM.

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Old 03-21-2005, 08:25 AM   #24
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as far as cap management, yeah, loomis knows that. that is what his job was before gm. as far as talent evaluation he has never struck me as someone having deep insight or making deft moves. this is the most important aspect to his position imo- equipping the team with the necessary tools to win.

most everyone has had to work for or with azzholes or despised supervisors. when they know their stuff n get the job done ya grit your teeth n bear with it if it yields the desired result. 32-32 begs asking like joe horn did, \"wtf has loomis done?\" personally i am not satisfied with just a \"competitive\" team. i \'d rather a 4-12 bust seeing the team really going all out than endless tweaking of a .500 formula. the mediocrity cannot go on forever though and this should be a turning point season, one way or another, loomis or not.
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Old 03-21-2005, 09:17 AM   #25
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When a team doesn\'t have ANY leadership you get what we\'ve got, a talented team that can\'t get over the hump. Joe is a player that could and should be a strong leader. He\'s a truly great player. As you\'ve said many times before he\'s gone to four of the past five pro bowls. He has paid his dues and is an established star in this league. He has all the makings of being a great leader, except for his me first attitude. It comes down to the fact that he lacks class. Instead of handling team issues behind closed doors, he blasts the team in the media. He\'s always saying stupid things in the media. He\'s always showboating on the field and just acts like the biggest hotdog. The guy acts like a rookie! You would think that these guys would grow up and act like the\'ve been there before.

I used to love Joe Horn. He used to be one of my favorite players in the league. But something happened to Joe through the years. All that success got to his head. Now Joe thinks he\'s the second coming or something. I haven\'t given up on him though. There is still hope for him yet, he just needs to come back down to earth a little.
Hey man, I understand what you\'re saying, and I can\'t argue that Joe isn\'t the classiest football player I\'ve ever seen. But that, to me, isn\'t a reason to let the guy get away. I mean, Ray Lewis and T.O. are the biggest \"hot doggers\" in the league - both have spoken out in the media, and neither one is a great guy off the field - Ray Lewis is essentially a criminal. Would you turn those two guys away?
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Old 03-21-2005, 10:56 AM   #26
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Far be it from me to point this out, but Ray and TO are both better than Joe Horn. So if I had my choice of Ray Lewis and his problems or Joe Horn, or TO and his problems or Joe Horn, sorry Joe. Carry on. :P
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