Joe Horn Trade Value
 

Since Joe is being Joe and is making plans to hold out as long as it takes to get top 5 money, I think we should stop debating as to whether or not he deserves more money and start talking about what Joe might bring in a trade.

To me, Joe doesn't seem like he'd be worth much more than a #2. Maybe a #2 and a solid veteran at the most.

I've heard some people say that Joe would bring us at least one #1 in a trade. I see that as something Saints fans do better than any other fans in the league, wishful thinking. To really believe that a team would give up a precious first round pick for an aging, me first player is just foolish.

Of course I'd like for there to be a way the FO could make Joe happy without losing what little respect they have left. If they were to give in to Joe and throw big time money at an over the hill brat, what kind of a message would that send the rest of the team? Then alot of guys on the team would say that they hate their contract and start pouting so they could get what they want.

Anyway what do ya'll think Joe is worth at this point in his career in the trade market?

Joe Horn Trade Value
 

I\'d give Joe and a first next year to get a high first this year and take Mike Williams. Hell Joe and a 4th this year plus a first next year. Anything I can scrape by without giving our first, second, or 3rd this year. Too deep on defense in the draft this year. Not likely at all, but i\'d still try.

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Come on dude. That\'s too much to give up for Mike Williams. Mike Williams is no Randy Moss. And I\'m not sure he\'ll even be a probowler ever.

Joe Horn Trade Value
 

You\'re kidding right? Too much for Mike Williams? Seriously? Have you seen this guy? He is a FREAK. He may not be as fast as Randy, but there aren\'t any corners who are gonna beat him for the ball. Besdies, surely you don\'t think Joe alone can draw a top 10 pick? You would HAVE to give the other team a reason to do it, just saying he\'s Joe Horn ain\'t gonna but it. But I have a hard time believing you have ever seen Mike Williams play. That kid is phenomenal.

Joe Horn Trade Value
 

Personally, I don\'t think you\'d get near enough for Joe Horn in a trade. Too many people doubt him. Every year, the experts talk about his age, his damaged body, his antics, etc. Every year, he makes them eat their words but still they predict he\'ll fail.

I think he wouldn\'t pull much juice in a trade.

Joe Horn Trade Value
 

I\'m no expert on the guy. I did, however, see him play a couple of times. And I\'ve read a lot on the guy.

He runs a 4.56/40 (slow by NFL standards. His strength is his size and leaping abiltiy.

Hey, I think he\'ll be a good NFL receiver. But, I\'ve thought the samething about other great colllege receivers.

What guarantees can you give me that he\'ll put up probowl numbers in the NFL?

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Horn for a bag of dorritos if he can\'t shut his mouth.

horn is a good player, but honestly is hurting himself bigtime by his lack of self-control of his tongue.

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Funny baron. ;)

Gumbo, about as much guarantee as I can that Joe won\'t blow his knee out next year, or that Joe won\'t sit out like McCardell next year, which is none. I can tell you by what scouts and NFL experts say, this kid is gonna be legit. He is for real. He is a stud. Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 forty. This kid flat out makes plays. I could care less about his 40 speed. I\'d take the word of NFL experts who feel he could be dominant for the next 10 years for less money(less for at least the 3 years we would be paying Joe were we to keep him) than Joe being maybe good for the next 3.

[Edited on 18/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

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mike williams is going to be a very good football player for someone. IMO he is the best wideout in the draft.

I think that the QB turned receiver is going to be a nice pickup for someone later in the draft as well.

the kid from UAB is also a very good player..

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Isn\'t he a taller faster verion of Michael Clayton, but with better hands?

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Yeah ... in college. It\'s always interesting to see how the \"next great thing\" struggles when they come to the NFL. Not saying he will, but it wouldn\'t surprise me one bit.

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who-williams or the kid from UAB?

tell ya what..i know claytons\' short..but he\'s not bad either.

Joe Horn Trade Value
 

1) Ignore Joe\'s whining
2) Fine him for missing mini camps
3) Welcome him back to the team in August
4) Let him play the season
5) Tag him
6) Trade him (to Atlanta for Keith Brooking :D )

Right now I wouldn\'t want to trade him as this would shake up our offense badly, he\'s worth what he will make this year UNDER HIS CURRENT CONTRACT.

Joe Horn Trade Value
 

I was referring to the Buc\'s WR Mike Clayon from LSU.

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LOL I can\'t believe Gumbo was complaining about 4.56/4.6 speed or whatever. Let me remind you Anquan Boldin, Jerry Rice, Michael Clayton, etc... not exactly your burners there either. :o I think straight line speed is over rated.

Mike Willams will be an all-pro for years to come. Within the first 3 years of him being in this league, he will be a Probowler at least once. You are going to be eating your words :P

But Gumbo\'s right on one thing, that is kinda too much for Mike Williams. Giving up an extra pick... nah I\'ll pass too. Pretty sure a 1 for 1 isn\'t going to happen because of Horn\'s age and contract he is going to receive, a second round pick seems to be fair.

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Read people!!! I said Joe and a first next year. How the hell is that too much to get Mike Williams? We would have that first, our first this year, 2nd and 3rd. AND whatever we get for Howard. How is it better to give Joe and a 2nd THIS YEAR as deep as this draft is on defense? We make that trade, we won\'t even be concerned about next year\'s first. Joe and a first NEXT YEAR to move into the top 7 for Williams? Too much? Man do we overvalue Joe.

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sorry-that cought me on a study break and I was thinking about the draft.

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Nevermind I just went back and read it... I can see what you are trying to do. I like it... but I would think the other team would want to have a chance of drafting this guy too. Horn does want an extension and who would want a 30 plus year old receiver with a large contract compared to a monster young receiver with a much smaller contract? What teams actually have the cap space to do this deal now? There has been some hefty spending out there and team probably would want to hold on to their cap space to fill out the rest of their rosters and sign draft picks.

Only took a glance at it earlier :P Bite me.

[Edited on 18/3/2005 by papz]

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hahahahaha. I knew you didn\'t really read it. There is no way that\'s too much. I also said it\'s not likely but i\'d still try. :eck13:

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Don\'t talk to me about a WR unless he is 22 years old, 6\'4\", 225 lbs., has 4% body fat, benches 450, runs a 4.21 40, naturally excretes stick \'em from his hands, and is willing to sign a lifetime contract granting exclusive rights to the Saints for the league minimum. Oh, he also has to be certified by UN\'s leadership council, spend his off-time totally silent in seminary, have an IQ of 140 or more, and be named Randy Owen Harrison. Anyone else isn\'t worth more than a 6th round pick and some beef jerky.

[Edited on 19/3/2005 by WhoDat]

Joe Horn Trade Value
 

i think a 2nd might be possible for horn. a 3rd at least. troy williamson or clayton at #16 would be a replacement i could stand taking a chance on.

i think tightwad loomis might even do something reasonable since it is akin to his penny pinching nature. let him play out this year under the contract and see what he gets offered a year older from now. if it is a top 6, 10, or whatever contract better can be had all the more then with his legs older. if he wants to pull a mccardell, go ahead. if it means enough to forfeit almost $5mil, more power to ya. if i was king i might not even try to trade ya before the deadline in that scenario unless getting a high 2nd. 5mil goes a long ways on yacht payments.

i\'m in the williams is a stud camp. i would characterize him similar to danno- a bigger, badder, version of michael clayton. besides skill he has game.

this draft doesnt have a defined elite upper end but i do think it is very deep at several positions. we have #40 and hope to end up with dallas\' #42. my upper end hope for a horn move would be #33 from the niners. mccarthy convinces nolan he is a go-to guy and has some gas left. he provides a veteran target for rodgers or smith to throw to. #16, 33, 40, and 42... i like it. the bucs are actually talking another wr but i would hate to face him twice a year. ditto carolina needing a moose replacement.

[Edited on 19/3/2005 by LKelley67]

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Who, hilarious buddy.

Didn\'t Cowart just go for a 6th rounder? I don\'t think we\'re going to get any more than a 3rd rounder for Joe. I think that in part that is because people over-value youth and potential. People view picks as the key to the future - proven players are for filling holes.

In fact, straight up, I bet you\'d likely get a 4th rounder for Joe. I 3rd seems possible. No one is going to give us a first rounder for Joe - at least not one high enough to get Williams. It is a nice dream though.

Joe Horn Trade Value
 

JKool, not to pick on you bud, but did you even read the thread? At all? Noone suggested Joe would draw a first that high just by himself. All kinds of scenarios were discussed. Just wondering.

Joe Horn Trade Value
 

williams is going to be good. and barom bro joe kept his mouth shut last year. but i would give joe and a secodn or third of this year to try to move up and get a high enough first pick tyo get williams. but i wouldnt give joe and another first for that.

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My bad Whodi.

I had a lot of catching up to do, and I had to do some skimming. Apologies.

:)

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Hey, papz did the same thing, and he ended up having to see the arese of one of those smilies. Don\'t be that guy Kool. ;)

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:mcgregor:

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All these people doubting Mike Williams....I just have a question. What better idea do you guys have than to trade Horn for a chance to get Mike Williams. There is no one in college football right now that is the physical specimen that he is or the ball player. The people doubting him must have been watching LSU exclusively during their National Championship year, because there\'s no way you could have seen him play.

With his latest demand, it\'s pretty obvious that we need to start planning for the future right now before we get caught with no reciever at all. I love Horn don\'t get me wrong, but it makes the most business sense to deal him right now. I say get what we can get for him.

Gumbo you say that Mike Williams may not do well in the pros? What are you basing that on? All you can really do is speculate how a pro will do based on his performance and competition in college. Braylon Edwards is the only other WR that comes close. If you don\'t like these guys who could you possibly like????

Some people just name all of the problems and none of the solutions.

Joe Horn Trade Value
 

GT, I am with you man. I would rather have Mike for the next 10 years than Joe for maybe the next 3. Mike Williams is the real deal. No CB in the NFL has his size, hell half the LBs don\'t. And he is a playmaker, in the true sense of the word. I would deal Joe and make every effort to get this guy. HE is a beast. He is the most solid wideout to come into the draft in a while.