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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by jeanpierre My Take on Duncan's Mock Draft: No. 11 (R1, 11) DE Taco Charlton, Michigan; Height: 6' 6"; Weight: 277 lbs. He's got the measurables we need opposite Cam Jordan, and I'd like this pick more, if ...

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Old 03-17-2017, 05:40 PM   #21
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
My Take on Duncan's Mock Draft:

No. 11 (R1, 11) DE Taco Charlton, Michigan; Height: 6' 6"; Weight: 277 lbs.

He's got the measurables we need opposite Cam Jordan, and I'd like this pick more, if we were in the 20-25 range of round 1; in fact, I like this pick more than the media popular of UT Derek Barnett, who's hit his ceiling and doesn't have the length we need for our scheme; if Reuben Foster is gone, I'd definitely like the idea of moving back some to get a DE like this...

No. 32 (R1, 32) QB Patrick Mahomes, Texas Tech; Height: 6' 2", Weight: 225 lbs.

Not sure we'll even have this selection if we acquire NE CB Malcolm in the Middle Butler. Don't like this selection, reminds me of Russell Wilson - overrated, nervous feet, can't make a read to save his life with the pressure on.

No. 42 (R2, 10) Fabian Moreau, UCLA; Height: 6’ 0”, Weight: 205 lbs.

I really like this pick and Moreau; but it'd be more likely he will be selected with the 32nd pick (if we kept it); this guy had a slow start to his Sr year with an injury; but he's physical and he can lock up under a receiver's chin and run with 'em all over the field...

No. 76 (R3, 12) DE Jordan Willis, Kansas St; Height: 6’ 3”, Weight: 260 lbs.

Another player I really love, who's really put on a helluva an audition this draft season; he's got just the right size to play the weak side DE; makes plays, forces turnovers, creates havoc and the Saints have a good history with K-State DEs (Darren Howard), but he'll be gone by the third round and like the previous pick, we'd need to take him with our second round pick...

No. 103 (R3, 39) TE Jake Butt, Michigan; Height: 6’ 5”, Weight: 245 lbs.

This seems a bit early for Butt's skill set; while I very much like the thinking of improving TE, Butt's a reach here and I'd rather get some depth at safety where plenty of options still should be here...

Round 6 (196) LB Jordan Evans, Oklahoma

If this would happen, it would be an absolute coup; I really believe he's going in the fourth/fifth round, but if he's there, this would be a real steal...
I would not be happiest camper to be honest. so this is a typical saints draft in my book.

OJ better be off the board at 11.

32 - Garret Bolles, Marcus Williams , T.J. Watt and even Obi Melifonwu better be off the board

42 Quincy Wilson Cordrea Tankersley and even Chris Godwin better be off the board

after that it is always a crap shoot.
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Old 03-17-2017, 06:20 PM   #22
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I have a $50 dollar beat with a buddy in Phili they will be calling to trade up on draft day.
I am totally with you on this...

I mean you want a pass rush and the best one is there on the board to come around in a decade... package #1 and #32 - send it to the Browns.

I also thought that if they fell in love with a LSU RB theat could move us up to 4? But then again its a LSU player.
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I would not be happiest camper to be honest. so this is a typical saints draft in my book.

OJ better be off the board at 11.
Meet Gronk 2.0:

No. 42 (R2, 10) TE Adam Shaheen, Ashland; Height: 6 6, Weight: 277 lbs.


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32 - Garret Bolles, Marcus Williams , T.J. Watt and even Obi Melifonwu better be off the board
If Watt makes it past Green Bay & Pittsburgh, but Moreau is gonna be special...

Bolles' baggage is a concern for a first rounder...

Marcus Williams is a late second round safety - Josh Jones will be better...

Obi-Wan Melifonwu? Workout warrior, Flavor of the Month - where was the fanfare this past season?


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42 Quincy Wilson Cordrea Tankersley and even Chris Godwin better be off the board

after that it is always a crap shoot.
Don't be surprised if Watt is still there at 42; I'd really think about taking K-State DE Jordan Willis at this spot as well...
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I just looked at 5 different "top draft prospects" articles- he falls between # 17 - 26 in all 5, near the higher end (23) in most
He has the size and seems like a character player, but probably not worth a top 15 pick
Really depends on what the Bengals do or what we think they'll do at #9
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If he's slated by the so called experts to be a 17-26 pick, does it really matter if we pick him at 11?

He's still a 1st round pass rushing DE. Should we pass on a 1st round pass rusher because he's "slotted" to be picked a few picks later?

I just don't agree with that.

EVERY 1st round prospect has the talent to become all-world. IMO there's not much difference between an 11th or a 17th.
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If he's slated by the so called experts to be a 17-26 pick, does it really matter if we pick him at 11?

He's still a 1st round pass rushing DE. Should we pass on a 1st round pass rusher because he's "slotted" to be picked a few picks later?

I just don't agree with that.

EVERY 1st round prospect has the talent to become all-world. IMO there's not much difference between an 11th or a 17th.
feel the same way if he grades out at 25? 11th round pick and money on 25th BPA?
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Moreau is gonna be special...
I hate foot injuries.
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Bolles' baggage is a concern for a first rounder...
That was high school stuff and look at the way he turned his life around. Besides we spent a first rounder on a LT and prayed he could be a RT. We still have not answered that need. Bolles is a swing OT that can swing at OG also. The only spot left on the OL in question is center. What more do you want out of a player you are grooming to take over for Zach?
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Marcus Williams is a late second round safety - Josh Jones will be better...
Williams I stick with the tape. The kid is a natural ball hawk. Josh is a serious temptation
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Obi-Wan Melifonwu? Workout warrior, Flavor of the Month - where was the fanfare this past season?
Agreed. I like the kid but his hyped value is way to high to risk the pick on him. He is really RAW

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Don't be surprised if Watt is still there at 42; I'd really think about taking K-State DE Jordan Willis at this spot as well...
The only reason I agree is the fact he has only one year of tape to go by but I think a 34 team will scope him up before pick 32. Look at those freaking combing numbers he put up. Those are comparable to Khalil Mac

One thing bugs me about Willis. He only played on the left side of the DL his entire college career. I believe we set on that side. Call it the Peat based fear.

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Im not as up to speed this year but out of the pass rushers likely there at 11 i like him. Its the weight as much as anything. I dont like 250lb DE. They get tun off the line too often.
Arguably the best player in college football, DE Arden Key, is 6'6 238. 12 sacks and 3 FF last year.
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I hate foot injuries.
Hagan, you did see he ran one of the fastest 40s when he wasn't even expected to break 4.6? He's obviously healed quite nicely...

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That was high school stuff and look at the way he turned his life around. Besides we spent a first rounder on a LT and prayed he could be a RT. We still have not answered that need. Bolles is a swing OT that can swing at OG also. The only spot left on the OL in question is center. What more do you want out of a player you are grooming to take over for Zach?
I guess someone who can actually beat him out in open competition...

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Williams I stick with the tape. The kid is a natural ball hawk. Josh is a serious temptation
Prefer JJ, just a physical intimidator; Williams just doesn't instill fear of any kind...

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Agreed. I like the kid but his hyped value is way to high to risk the pick on him. He is really RAW
And because we agree, the Saints will select him - SJB II - and it's GroundHog Day all over again...

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The only reason I agree is the fact he has only one year of tape to go by but I think a 34 team will scope him up before pick 32. Look at those freaking combing numbers he put up. Those are comparable to Khalil Mac
If we have a shot at him, we gotta take it...

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One thing bugs me about Willis. He only played on the left side of the DL his entire college career. I believe we set on that side. Call it the Peat based fear.
We've got just the defensive line coach to coach him up...
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Just saw a mock that had us taking Barnett then riddick with 32. If we got that and either white or jones slipped to 42 that would b a perfect draft and trade next yrs 2nd to NE. That would b my ideal offseason. The de we need. A great lb. and the CB we need with a very promising young one as well. Thoughts?
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