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kannon315 03-25-2005 11:48 AM

Who would you take?
 
Cadillac Williams Ronnie Brown Cedric Benson
Ht. 5"11 6"1 6"0
Wgt. 3872 232 225
40 time. 4.45 4.46 4.55
Car. 741 507 1112
Yds. 3872 2725 5577
Tds. 45 28 64
Me personally I would take Ronnie Brown. How about you?

Danno 03-25-2005 12:01 PM

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I think Benson is the man. How many times do we fall for the work-out numbers? Brown shot up the chart by running a good time. but he\'s yet to prove to anyone he\'s durable enough. he\'s always split time with Carnell.

Ditto for Carnell Williams.

Both will be great backs but if I was going to pick one with a top 5 pick, my money\'s on Benson. He appears to be a Rickey Williams type, without the mental problems.

But If I needed a RB I\'d be happy with any of those three.

baronm 03-25-2005 12:14 PM

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H2 and cadillac will be very very good backs for someone.

saintswhodi 03-25-2005 12:19 PM

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Ronnie Brown, definitely. Benson will be like Eddie George. Burning out early, you will see a definite drop in his production later in his career due to overuse early, high school and college. Earl Campbell syndrome. I would bet on it. Brown is faster, stronger, catches better, and has had less wear and tear over his career due to the presence of Cadillac, whom I think is simply overrated.

bignic26 03-25-2005 12:58 PM

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Benson will be like Eddie George. Burning out early, you will see a definite drop in his production later in his career due to overuse early, high school and college. Earl Campbell syndrome.
I see what you\'re saying and I don\'t totally disagree, but aren\'t all stud backs overused in high school and college. I mean, if I\'m a coach and I got a horse, I\'m gonna ride em while I got em!!!

saintswhodi 03-25-2005 01:02 PM

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Not true, as in the example of Ronnie Brown. And what I mean by overuse is blatant on the part of MAck Brown. Like when they are playing a team like North Texas and are up 38-3 in the 4th quarter, Benson is still in there pounding the ball cause Mack wants to try and be number one in the country in rushing. Stuff like that. Week in week out for years. That stuff takes a toll on you. Some backs have a way high number of carries in their college careers, and Benson is one. He will also be a workhorse in the NFL, which I think will wear him down. AND Texas offense has been run heavy for a while. Other backs may be in more balanced systems.

bignic26 03-25-2005 01:04 PM

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I would without a doubt go with Benson. I actually played against this guy in high school while he was at Midland Lee and he was an animal. It was his senior year and he was already really developed. I can\'t imagine what the guy is like now. We, West Monroe, won the game, but he took the opening kick off like 90 yards for a TD. He only finished with like 60 yds rushing, but our defense was badazz, it was raining, and we were at home. ;)

bignic26 03-25-2005 01:06 PM

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I see what you mean Whodi. Mack did overuse him bad and I know that in high school he had like a zillion yards so he got alot of carries there to.

kannon315 03-25-2005 01:17 PM

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I like benson he\'s just like when Ricky Williams came out but I like Ronnie Brown\'s speed, power, and athleticism something Benson doesn\'t have.

D-buck47 03-25-2005 01:45 PM

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Benson for sure. His forty time from his pro day was 4.51

saintswhodi 03-25-2005 02:38 PM

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Brown\'s 40 was in the 4.4s, and he has better hands. The stud of this draft is Brown.

baronm 03-25-2005 02:47 PM

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Ronnie Brown, definitely. Benson will be like Eddie George. Burning out early, you will see a definite drop in his production later in his career due to overuse early, high school and college. Earl Campbell syndrome. I would bet on it. Brown is faster, stronger, catches better, and has had less wear and tear over his career due to the presence of Cadillac, whom I think is simply overrated.

I\'ve seen cadillac in high school, college ad getting ready for the pros...he will be a pro bowl contender....but the thing is he will need a line that can block for him ala barry sanders.


saintswhodi 03-25-2005 03:00 PM

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What? A line that will block for him like Barry who? Barry Word? Barry Foster? Certainly not Barry Sanders. That dude never had a good line. Maybe a line that will block for him like Emmitt Smith. I can agree with that.

baronm 03-25-2005 03:07 PM

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true..sanders didn\'t have a great line...I guess what I was thinking was he is more of a finnesse back than a power back.

not a sanders caliber..but few are.

benson\'s attitude worries me..ronnie brown and cadillac also have not been used near as much....cadilac would be used in longer yarder situations and brown in short yards...brown is a better blocker and reciever, but cadillac just is so hard to get a handle on and has great game speed.


saintswhodi 03-25-2005 03:17 PM

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I agree totally on Cadillac. He reminds me of a Brian Westbrook. Good at everything but not really great at anything. Brown I think can be a workhorse, due to the fact he didn\'t take too much of a pounding in college, he is 230, fast, and just hard to bring down cause of his power. Cadillac has better moves though and is more elusive. Of the 3, Benson would be last on my list. I have rarely seen him catch the ball out of the backfield, he has okay speed, and just how much he has been used up to this point worries me. I mean 5-6 good years is nothing to sneeze at, but what if he conks out sooner? Or is he is like Eddie George and barely ever has a season averaging over 4 yards a carry? That would worry me.

bignic26 03-25-2005 03:18 PM

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but the thing is he will need a line that can block for him
Thanks for that info Captain Obvious. I think all good backs need a line that can block for them in order to be a pro bowler. Unless of course they are Barry Sanders, who just so happens to be the best running back of all time.


D-buck47 03-25-2005 03:20 PM

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Look at what Benson had around him last year? Vince Young gives a team no threat of a passing game. Defenses stacked against Benson every single game. Campbell gave Williams and Brown a legit passing game to take a bit of pressure off them. Brown has a ton of upside and Williams is good, although I have a gut feeling he will be one of those guys who constantly battles injuries. Five years from now I think Benson will be the best RB in the class. Alex Smith and Andrew Walter the 2 best QBS in the class.IMO

saintswhodi 03-25-2005 03:20 PM

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Thanks for that info Captain Obvious.
Dude, that was a little harsh, no? :awe:

[Edited on 25/3/2005 by saintswhodi]

baronm 03-25-2005 03:24 PM

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Look at what Benson had around him last year? Vince Young gives a team no threat of a passing game. Defenses stacked against Benson every single game. Campbell gave Williams and Brown a legit passing game to take a bit of pressure off them. Brown has a ton of upside and Williams is good, although I have a gut feeling he will be one of those guys who constantly battles injuries. Five years from now I think Benson will be the best RB in the class. Alex Smith and Andrew Walter the 2 best QBS in the class.IMO
trust me..cambell was carried by H2 and Cadillac. THose guys are awesome and they come from one of the best running back schools of all time...though..with all the attention diverted away from him benson could actually have one of the better seasons next year in comparison....though I agree with whodi..longterm-brown, cadillac then benson

baronm 03-25-2005 03:27 PM

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but the thing is he will need a line that can block for him
Thanks for that info Captain Obvious. I think all good backs need a line that can block for them in order to be a pro bowler. Unless of course they are Barry Sanders, who just so happens to be the best running back of all time.

bo had an awfull line in both college and the pros...duece has had an awful line as well. Brown doesn\'t need a line blocking downfeild as much as cadillac does...mainly becuase cadillac got more long yardage than brown did..but some of that was just in how they were used.


D-buck47 03-25-2005 03:29 PM

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Yeah, no doubt they made it easier on Campbell. I say Benson, Brown, Cadilac. Unless any of them go to Arizona then they are doomed. :)

baronm 03-25-2005 03:30 PM

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Yeah, no doubt they made it easier on Campbell. I say Benson, Brown, Cadilac. Unless any of them go to Arizona then they are doomed. :)
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saintswhodi 03-25-2005 03:33 PM

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You\'re sticking to Benson huh D-buck. Are you a UT fan by any chance? Brown is definitely goona shock you then. That kid is for real. He runs wih more power than Benson does. And he is fresh. Between Cadillac and Benson, it\'s a toss up for me and depends on your needs. If you are looking for versatility, Cadillac. If you are looking for a downhill runner, Benson.

D-buck47 03-25-2005 03:41 PM

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Nah, not really a UT fan. I\'ve seen Brown play quite a bit, but I\'m closer to the west coast so maybe it\'s a little west coast bias.Haha. ;) I just really like Benson, he doesn\'t have the versatility of Brown. I just see him as a horse and see Chicago taking him at 4, even with Thomas Jones. Brown will be the first RB drafted, by Miami at 2

[Edited on 25/3/2005 by D-buck47]

saintswhodi 03-25-2005 03:47 PM

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I gotcha. It\'s all good. In my mind, I was thinking if there was one back in this draft I would trade Deuce to get, it\'s Brown. That\'s how I rated them. You mighta had something different on how you judged them as far as drafting them and career expectations go.

D-buck47 03-25-2005 03:50 PM

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The best Value may be Arrington in the top of the second round.

[Edited on 25/3/2005 by D-buck47]

saintswhodi 03-25-2005 03:55 PM

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You think he will go that high? I was thinking late 2nd early 3rd but you may be right. If a team that needs a RB doesn\'t get one in the 1st, he very well could go early second.

D-buck47 03-25-2005 04:01 PM

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I read on nfldraftcountdown.com, that he improved his 40 time and Arizona was really wanting him in the 2nd. He better hope they don\'t get him. If Tampa takes a wideout in 1, he could go to them in the second

spkb25 03-25-2005 07:32 PM

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i would take brown or rogers. i wouldtn trade for it unless it was howard and us moving up

FireVenturi 03-26-2005 11:34 AM

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Ronnie Brown....hasnds down

CheramieIII 03-26-2005 02:06 PM

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Cadillac is the man. Just look at the TD\'s per carry ratio, scores a TD every 16.4 carries and his 40 time aint shabby either.


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