Who's definitely left at 16?

D-buck47 · 03-25-2005, 03:37 PM

Maybe, the guy is talented, but would be a major project. Hopefully he lasted unitil the 4th

saintswhodi · 03-25-2005, 03:38 PM

Matt Jones
QB | (6\'5\", 220, 4.65) | ARKANSAS

Scouts Grade: 59

Flags: (C: CHARACTER) Problems on and off the field
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Career Totals Passing Rushing
SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG TD
2004 151 264 2073 57.2 7.9 15 12 11 132.8 83 622 7.5 6
2003 132 230 1917 57.4 8.3 18 7 6 147.1 96 707 7.4 8
2002 122 234 1592 52.1 6.8 16 8 20 125.0 129 614 4.8 5
2001 12 27 275 44.4 10.2 4 3 2 156.7 74 616 8.3 5
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Strengths: Is a very good athlete for his size. He has great height and good bulk for his frame. He has decent quickness but really accelerates as he runs. He has long strides and seems to be deceptive in his speed when he takes off to run because defenders often come up short on their pursuit angles. He has adequate arm strength. Throws a good deep ball and shows better accuracy and touch on those passes than on short-to-intermediate ones that require more precision and zip. He is a dual threat who is very difficult to defend because of his mobility and effectiveness as a thrower on the run. Also has versatility and could have more upside as a WR in the NFL.

Weaknesses: Has a very nonchalant attitude. Not sure if he loves playing the game of football? Is too inconsistent as a passer. His accuracy varies and he misses entirely too many targets. He doesn\'t have great patience in the pocket. Will take off too early and tries to run too much at times. Doesn\'t have a great feel for reading defenses or picking up hot reads. He locks on to his primary target too often and does a poor job of making his check downs. He has adequate but not good arm strength and would struggle to fit the ball into tight spots in the NFL. He also seems uncomfortable inside the pocket and tries to roll outside a lot and get on the move.

Overview: Jones is an interesting late round draft prospect because of his athleticism, size and versatility. Also a four-year member of the Razorback\'s basketball team, Jones began his football career at Arkansas as a wide receiver. He split time at quarterback and wide receiver as a freshman in 2001 before taking over as the fulltime starting quarterback in \'02. He has had lingering injuries and he continues to be an inconsistent performer with more of a sandlot style than anything. Jones has great size, decent arm strength and good athletic ability, but in all likelihood his best chance of making it in the NFL will be as a possession receiver. He has experience at the position, he has enough speed and running ability, and he certainly is a big enough target to take a chance on in the final few rounds of the 2005 draft.
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D-buck47 · 03-25-2005, 03:46 PM

Thanks for the post. I didn\'t know he had character issues

saintswhodi · 03-25-2005, 03:48 PM

Honestly, me either. I just knew he was supposed to be like a 4th round guy or such at the earliest. I was not aware of character issues until I just read that.

papz · 03-25-2005, 03:54 PM

TRAVIS JOHNSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don\'t think Matt Jones needs to beef up. I can\'t see why they want to make him into a tightend. He has the size, speed, and hands to make a switch to WR just as Drew Bennett did years ago. Making a former QB with his attributes help block DE\'s and linebackers is a little strange to me. I\'d say he would make a fine receiver down the road and would gamble on his with a late 3rd/4th round draft pick on him.

About his speed, he ran a 4.4 at the combine. They need to update that.

spkb25 · 03-25-2005, 07:37 PM

i\'d take brown only because o tackles are so hard to come by. and if we have a solid line this year ( that depending on mayberry and gandy\'s play) then we have someone that next year could be a stud at tackle. maybe he can play this year. either way if the guy is going to be a very good o tackle we cant go wrong. they are hard to find

FireVenturi · 03-26-2005, 11:32 AM

The only guy on ur list Danno i would stay away from is Hawthorne. Heard he has a lot of the traits that Sully does, plus he will probably be there in the 2nd. Any of those other guys would be fine.

papz · 03-26-2005, 11:51 AM

Hawthorne is actually the complete opposite of Sullivan. He is considered to be an extremely hard worker. Johnson, Hawthorne, and Cody are considered the top 3 defensive tackles.

03-25-2005, 03:37 PM	#11
D-buck47 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 162	Who's definitely left at 16? Maybe, the guy is talented, but would be a major project. Hopefully he lasted unitil the 4th
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03-25-2005, 03:38 PM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Who's definitely left at 16? Matt Jones QB \| (6\'5\", 220, 4.65) \| ARKANSAS Scouts Grade: 59 Flags: (C: CHARACTER) Problems on and off the field View by: Round \| Player \| NCAA School \| Position \| NFL Team \| Flag \| All Ranked Players \| NFL Draft History You are signed into Insider and have access to the exclusive draft content below. Career Totals Passing Rushing SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA TD INT SACK RAT ATT YDS AVG TD 2004 151 264 2073 57.2 7.9 15 12 11 132.8 83 622 7.5 6 2003 132 230 1917 57.4 8.3 18 7 6 147.1 96 707 7.4 8 2002 122 234 1592 52.1 6.8 16 8 20 125.0 129 614 4.8 5 2001 12 27 275 44.4 10.2 4 3 2 156.7 74 616 8.3 5 ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â· View full player card Strengths: Is a very good athlete for his size. He has great height and good bulk for his frame. He has decent quickness but really accelerates as he runs. He has long strides and seems to be deceptive in his speed when he takes off to run because defenders often come up short on their pursuit angles. He has adequate arm strength. Throws a good deep ball and shows better accuracy and touch on those passes than on short-to-intermediate ones that require more precision and zip. He is a dual threat who is very difficult to defend because of his mobility and effectiveness as a thrower on the run. Also has versatility and could have more upside as a WR in the NFL. Weaknesses: Has a very nonchalant attitude. Not sure if he loves playing the game of football? Is too inconsistent as a passer. His accuracy varies and he misses entirely too many targets. He doesn\'t have great patience in the pocket. Will take off too early and tries to run too much at times. Doesn\'t have a great feel for reading defenses or picking up hot reads. He locks on to his primary target too often and does a poor job of making his check downs. He has adequate but not good arm strength and would struggle to fit the ball into tight spots in the NFL. He also seems uncomfortable inside the pocket and tries to roll outside a lot and get on the move. Overview: Jones is an interesting late round draft prospect because of his athleticism, size and versatility. Also a four-year member of the Razorback\'s basketball team, Jones began his football career at Arkansas as a wide receiver. He split time at quarterback and wide receiver as a freshman in 2001 before taking over as the fulltime starting quarterback in \'02. He has had lingering injuries and he continues to be an inconsistent performer with more of a sandlot style than anything. Jones has great size, decent arm strength and good athletic ability, but in all likelihood his best chance of making it in the NFL will be as a possession receiver. He has experience at the position, he has enough speed and running ability, and he certainly is a big enough target to take a chance on in the final few rounds of the 2005 draft. * Player biographies are provided by Scouts Inc. This is from Scouts INC on ESPN Insider.

03-25-2005, 03:46 PM	#13
D-buck47 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 162	Who's definitely left at 16? Thanks for the post. I didn\'t know he had character issues
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03-25-2005, 03:48 PM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Who's definitely left at 16? Honestly, me either. I just knew he was supposed to be like a 4th round guy or such at the earliest. I was not aware of character issues until I just read that.

03-25-2005, 03:54 PM	#15
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Who's definitely left at 16? TRAVIS JOHNSON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don\'t think Matt Jones needs to beef up. I can\'t see why they want to make him into a tightend. He has the size, speed, and hands to make a switch to WR just as Drew Bennett did years ago. Making a former QB with his attributes help block DE\'s and linebackers is a little strange to me. I\'d say he would make a fine receiver down the road and would gamble on his with a late 3rd/4th round draft pick on him. About his speed, he ran a 4.4 at the combine. They need to update that.
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03-25-2005, 07:37 PM	#16
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	Who's definitely left at 16? i\'d take brown only because o tackles are so hard to come by. and if we have a solid line this year ( that depending on mayberry and gandy\'s play) then we have someone that next year could be a stud at tackle. maybe he can play this year. either way if the guy is going to be a very good o tackle we cant go wrong. they are hard to find

03-26-2005, 11:32 AM	#17
FireVenturi Cold as Ice! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Da Big Easy Posts: 2,978	Who's definitely left at 16? The only guy on ur list Danno i would stay away from is Hawthorne. Heard he has a lot of the traits that Sully does, plus he will probably be there in the 2nd. Any of those other guys would be fine.

03-26-2005, 11:51 AM	#18
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,681	Who's definitely left at 16? Hawthorne is actually the complete opposite of Sullivan. He is considered to be an extremely hard worker. Johnson, Hawthorne, and Cody are considered the top 3 defensive tackles.