Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...

05-02-2017, 01:53 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I was unaware of the growth issue. All I know is we use to have a decent WR with a hamstring issue his whole career. Up and down.

Yes. That was a chronic condition with both Devery Henderson and Lance Moore. I remember. Lattimore's was totally different.

jeanpierre · 05-02-2017, 03:38 PM

What's bothered me since we had Junior Galette was we've had 4-3 looking front on Cam Jordan's side and a 3-4 looking front on Galette's side...

And the Galette side (insert new name here) always seems to get gashed with these big run plays because that player was always too small to set the edge and was really just a pass-rush specialist...

That's why I've banged the drum for a Malik McDowell sized defensive end opposite Cam...

Sheldon Rankins is actually very undersized for a 3T, but he has other abilities that offset his lack of size...

But if you've got too many undersized guys, things become problematic along your front...

Yet, I'll say it again, I expect the guys we already have to play at a better level because they will now have another year in DA's system and we've got much better position coaches now for the defensive line and linebacking units...

I'd just like to see the grades that the Saints scouts assigned now that the draft is over to see who or what they valued more than say others because there were two opportunities to take what I'd consider very good DEs at 32, 42 and especially with the 67 pick we went out and grabbed...

Halo · 05-02-2017, 03:41 PM

Most thought Lattimore pick was awesome until John Gruden ripped up the pick over the hamstring issue from his past. Don't be brainwashed by the media. Gruden just prompted to be the "bad cop" when the discussion happened. I don't trust ESPN at all.

Halo · 05-02-2017, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I'd just like to see the grades that the Saints scouts assigned now that the draft is over to see who or what they valued more than say others because there were two opportunities to take what I'd consider very good DEs at 32, 42 and especially with the 67 pick we went out and grabbed...

Agree. Let's face it, picking defense is not Loomis and Coach SP's specialty. These are offensive minded people. Would rather they bring in a veteran (retired) GM as consultant on the defensive picks - someone who built a defense before, and NOT a former defensive coach.

If we could only resurrect Jim Finks' draft mind from the grave for two drafts, the defense would be top in the league.

hagan714 · 05-02-2017, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I had hamstring issues when I was younger. One time a player across the field yelled at me when I went down that he heard it pop. I got over it though and it hasn't been an issue in decades.

this is what we are all praying for. not that i hate praying or anything but i would rather not waste my time doing it for our first pick.

oh well

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hagan714 · 05-02-2017, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by Halo

Most thought Lattimore pick was awesome until John Gruden ripped up the pick over the hamstring issue from his past. Don't be brainwashed by the media. Gruden just prompted to be the "bad cop" when the discussion happened. I don't trust ESPN at all.

I have been in Gruden's camp all season long. Achilles was off my draft board.
Actually I think he showed up after i pitched camp.

Every time I watched OSU i came away saying Damn I wish Lattimore was as far along in his mental game as Conley.

oh well lets see what happens. All he has to do is have a bigger impact on the field than OJ Howard.

K Major · 05-02-2017, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

oh well lets see what happens. All he has to do is have a bigger impact on the field than OJ Howard.

Lol,

Let it go Hagan. OJ is a Buc now

.

hagan714 · 05-02-2017, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Lol,

Let it go Hagan. OJ is a Buc now .

If Achilles sits

and Howard blows up the NFL, oh heck no

Let the four year head to head start now

K Major · 05-02-2017, 04:23 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

If Achilles sits and Howard blows up the NFL, oh heck no

Let the four year head to head start now

Look how fluid his hips are in this video & top speed to go with it. Notice his head is already turned around. It's the little things. Pretty damn impressive from a Pro prospect. Where is Rez when I need him (lol). Hagin, consider yourself warned. Lattimore will be a play maker in B&G.

jeanpierre · 05-02-2017, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Look how fluid his hips are in this video & top speed to go with it. Notice his head is already turned around. It's the little things. Pretty damn impressive from a Pro prospect. Where is Rez when I need him (lol). Hagin, consider yourself warned. Lattimore will be a play maker in B&G.

Question is, Can Lattimore do this for sixteen (16) regular season games and three~four post-season games?

No one doubts the talent, it's whether his hamstrings can hold up...

We've got the same problem with this linebacker, his name is Ellerbe, you probably haven't heard of him as he doesn't get on the field that much...

All seriousness, talent alone, he was a Top 5 pick for sure, it's the question of whether he will consistently be "available" as the ole ball coach says...

But he's potentially the best cornerback we have ever drafted...Nonetheless, I'm excited to see him in action...

05-02-2017, 01:53 PM	#11
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,393 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by Beastmode I was unaware of the growth issue. All I know is we use to have a decent WR with a hamstring issue his whole career. Up and down. Yes. That was a chronic condition with both Devery Henderson and Lance Moore. I remember. Lattimore's was totally different.
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05-02-2017, 03:38 PM	#12
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... What's bothered me since we had Junior Galette was we've had 4-3 looking front on Cam Jordan's side and a 3-4 looking front on Galette's side... And the Galette side (insert new name here) always seems to get gashed with these big run plays because that player was always too small to set the edge and was really just a pass-rush specialist... That's why I've banged the drum for a Malik McDowell sized defensive end opposite Cam... Sheldon Rankins is actually very undersized for a 3T, but he has other abilities that offset his lack of size... But if you've got too many undersized guys, things become problematic along your front... Yet, I'll say it again, I expect the guys we already have to play at a better level because they will now have another year in DA's system and we've got much better position coaches now for the defensive line and linebacking units... I'd just like to see the grades that the Saints scouts assigned now that the draft is over to see who or what they valued more than say others because there were two opportunities to take what I'd consider very good DEs at 32, 42 and especially with the 67 pick we went out and grabbed...
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05-02-2017, 03:41 PM	#13
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05-02-2017, 03:46 PM	#14
Halo Site Donor MONTHLY Join Date: May 2002 Location: New Orleans, LA Posts: 20,208 Blog Entries: 45	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by jeanpierre I'd just like to see the grades that the Saints scouts assigned now that the draft is over to see who or what they valued more than say others because there were two opportunities to take what I'd consider very good DEs at 32, 42 and especially with the 67 pick we went out and grabbed... Agree. Let's face it, picking defense is not Loomis and Coach SP's specialty. These are offensive minded people. Would rather they bring in a veteran (retired) GM as consultant on the defensive picks - someone who built a defense before, and NOT a former defensive coach. If we could only resurrect Jim Finks' draft mind from the grave for two drafts, the defense would be top in the league. jeanpierre likes this.

05-02-2017, 03:51 PM	#15
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I had hamstring issues when I was younger. One time a player across the field yelled at me when I went down that he heard it pop. I got over it though and it hasn't been an issue in decades. this is what we are all praying for. not that i hate praying or anything but i would rather not waste my time doing it for our first pick. oh well our father who ........

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05-02-2017, 03:55 PM	#16
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by Halo Most thought Lattimore pick was awesome until John Gruden ripped up the pick over the hamstring issue from his past. Don't be brainwashed by the media. Gruden just prompted to be the "bad cop" when the discussion happened. I don't trust ESPN at all. I have been in Gruden's camp all season long. Achilles was off my draft board. Actually I think he showed up after i pitched camp. Every time I watched OSU i came away saying Damn I wish Lattimore was as far along in his mental game as Conley. oh well lets see what happens. All he has to do is have a bigger impact on the field than OJ Howard. jeanpierre likes this.

05-02-2017, 04:04 PM	#17
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,032 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by hagan714 oh well lets see what happens. All he has to do is have a bigger impact on the field than OJ Howard. Lol, Let it go Hagan. OJ is a Buc now . hagan714 and jeanpierre like this.

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hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by K Major Lol, Let it go Hagan. OJ is a Buc now . If Achilles sits and Howard blows up the NFL, oh heck no Let the four year head to head start now

05-02-2017, 04:23 PM	#19
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,032 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by hagan714 If Achilles sits and Howard blows up the NFL, oh heck no Let the four year head to head start now Look how fluid his hips are in this video & top speed to go with it. Notice his head is already turned around. It's the little things. Pretty damn impressive from a Pro prospect. Where is Rez when I need him (lol). Hagin, consider yourself warned. Lattimore will be a play maker in B&G. Danno, hagan714, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.

05-02-2017, 05:13 PM	#20
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by K Major Look how fluid his hips are in this video & top speed to go with it. Notice his head is already turned around. It's the little things. Pretty damn impressive from a Pro prospect. Where is Rez when I need him (lol). Hagin, consider yourself warned. Lattimore will be a play maker in B&G. Question is, Can Lattimore do this for sixteen (16) regular season games and three~four post-season games? No one doubts the talent, it's whether his hamstrings can hold up... We've got the same problem with this linebacker, his name is Ellerbe, you probably haven't heard of him as he doesn't get on the field that much... All seriousness, talent alone, he was a Top 5 pick for sure, it's the question of whether he will consistently be "available" as the ole ball coach says... But he's potentially the best cornerback we have ever drafted...Nonetheless, I'm excited to see him in action... hagan714 likes this.
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