Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ...

05-04-2017, 08:41 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Lol,

Let it go Hagan. OJ is a Buc now .

let it go? say whay? i will try but i keep track of these things

2006
2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
34 D'Qwell Jackson LB Maryland
99 Jahri Evans OT Bloomsburg
135 Dawan Landry S Georgia Tech
171 Johnny Jolly DT Texas A&M
210 Zach Strief OT Northwestern

2007
27 Ben Grubbs G Auburn
58 Ryan Kalil C USC
125 Jermon Bushrod OT Towson

2008
10 Ryan Clady OT Boise State
40 Matt Forté RB Tulane
78 Cliff Avril DE Purdue
113 Red Bryant DT Texas A&M

2009
14 Brian Cushing LB USC
Trade Shokey TE NYG
Trade Vilma
164 Chris Clemons S Clemson

2010
Patrick Robinson CB FSU
Brandon LaFell WR LSU
Dennis Pitta TE BYU
Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech

2011
Cameron Jordan DE
John Moffitt G Wisconsin
Dion Lewis RB Pittsburgh
Pernell McPhee DE Miss St

2012
27 Nick Perry LB USC
89 Nigel Bradham LB FSU
122 Malik Jackson DE Tennessee
162 Jeremy Lane CB NW State
179 J R Sweezy OG NC State

2013
15 Alec Ogletree, WLB
75 Terron Armstead, OT
144 A.J.Klein MLB

2014
27 SS Deone Bucannon Washington St
57 WR Allen Robinson Penn St
91 RB Jerrick Mckinnon Georgia Southern
167 C Tyler Larsen Utah St.
202 OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif McGill - RG

2015
13 WR DeVante Parker Louiville
33 DT Malcom Brown OSU
44 OT Jake Fisher Oregan
75 OLB Eli Harold Virgina
78 CB P.J. Williams FSU
154 CB Charles Gaines Louisville

2016
1 - Laremy Tunsil ROT Ole Miss
2 - Jarran Reed, DT/DE, Alabama
3 - Justin Simmons DB Boston College
4 - Matt Judon, DE, Grand Valley State
5 - DJ Reader NT Clemson

Sean Davis vs Vonn Bell

2017
O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6056 251 4.51 #88 Sr
Ryan Ramczyk ROT/OG Wisconsin 6052 314 5.29 #65 rJr
Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr
Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr
Trey Hendrickson DE Florida Atlantic 6040 266 4.64 #9 Sr
(117) NE (From Saints) - Cook trade
Redskins (From Saints) - George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr
Brandon Wilson, RB/KR/CB, Houston 5101 198 4.40 #26 rSr
Kai Nacua, FS/SS, BYU 6005 209 4.50 #12 Sr

not a chance

K Major · 05-04-2017, 09:26 AM

Hagin,
I'll leave my grade on the draft as W - WAIT AND SEE. I thought Anthony was a outstanding pick & I was almost ready to label Peat as a bust. After year 2, the opposite holds true

.

hagan714 · 05-04-2017, 02:20 PM

I always give our draft picks 4 year prove it contract time.

Rob Ryan, FA and trad players do not get a break

Rugby Saint II · 05-04-2017, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

I always give our draft picks 4 year prove it contract time.

Rob Ryan, FA and trad players do not get a break

True Dat! We have been insufficient evaluating talent. Ireland has helped on the defensive side of the ball but we may need a true football GM, which Loomis is not. He's a yes man and bean counter.

The Dude · 05-04-2017, 08:22 PM

He will probably play 8 games a season average and have a good year in year 4 but we won't pick up the option. He goes to another team and starts all 16 games year in and year out.

"Why all the negativity?"
Have you seen anything about the health of our backfield in the past 5 years to be positive about?

I hope the new coaches came with a new strength and conditioning staff.

The Dude · 05-04-2017, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

let it go? say whay? i will try but i keep track of these things

2006
2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia
34 D'Qwell Jackson LB Maryland
99 Jahri Evans OT Bloomsburg
135 Dawan Landry S Georgia Tech
171 Johnny Jolly DT Texas A&M
210 Zach Strief OT Northwestern

2007
27 Ben Grubbs G Auburn
58 Ryan Kalil C USC
125 Jermon Bushrod OT Towson

2008
10 Ryan Clady OT Boise State
40 Matt Forté RB Tulane
78 Cliff Avril DE Purdue
113 Red Bryant DT Texas A&M

2009
14 Brian Cushing LB USC
Trade Shokey TE NYG
Trade Vilma
164 Chris Clemons S Clemson

2010
Patrick Robinson CB FSU
Brandon LaFell WR LSU
Dennis Pitta TE BYU
Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech

2011
Cameron Jordan DE
John Moffitt G Wisconsin
Dion Lewis RB Pittsburgh
Pernell McPhee DE Miss St

2012
27 Nick Perry LB USC
89 Nigel Bradham LB FSU
122 Malik Jackson DE Tennessee
162 Jeremy Lane CB NW State
179 J R Sweezy OG NC State

2013
15 Alec Ogletree, WLB
75 Terron Armstead, OT
144 A.J.Klein MLB

2014
27 SS Deone Bucannon Washington St
57 WR Allen Robinson Penn St
91 RB Jerrick Mckinnon Georgia Southern
167 C Tyler Larsen Utah St.
202 OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif McGill - RG

2015
13 WR DeVante Parker Louiville
33 DT Malcom Brown OSU
44 OT Jake Fisher Oregan
75 OLB Eli Harold Virgina
78 CB P.J. Williams FSU
154 CB Charles Gaines Louisville

2016
1 - Laremy Tunsil ROT Ole Miss
2 - Jarran Reed, DT/DE, Alabama
3 - Justin Simmons DB Boston College
4 - Matt Judon, DE, Grand Valley State
5 - DJ Reader NT Clemson

Sean Davis vs Vonn Bell

2017
O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6056 251 4.51 #88 Sr
Ryan Ramczyk ROT/OG Wisconsin 6052 314 5.29 #65 rJr
Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr
Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr
Trey Hendrickson DE Florida Atlantic 6040 266 4.64 #9 Sr
(117) NE (From Saints) - Cook trade
Redskins (From Saints) - George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr
Brandon Wilson, RB/KR/CB, Houston 5101 198 4.40 #26 rSr
Kai Nacua, FS/SS, BYU 6005 209 4.50 #12 Sr

not a chance

Look at the offensive lineman we got those first couple years. Payton saw the future withBrees and built around him. We wound up having the best line in the league a few years there.

jeanpierre · 05-05-2017, 06:32 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

True Dat! We have been insufficient evaluating talent. Ireland has helped on the defensive side of the ball but we may need a true football GM, which Loomis is not. He's a yes man and bean counter.

Look at all the teams in the NFL who have virtual dictatorships where the HCs have all the stroke, it just doesn't work...

You gotta have checks and balances and the the only checks and balances Loomis knows are as Payton's trained monkey...

Mora was the toast of the NFL with the Saints franchise turnaround, then when he didn't have Mr. Finks to reign him in, he ran what he built into the ground...

triman · 05-07-2017, 10:27 AM

I see a rotation of situational pass rushers We need about 12 more sacks.If three guys get four sacks I'm ok with that add in a few CB and S blitzes and we are top fifteen D !

Seer1 · 05-07-2017, 10:32 AM

Originally Posted by triman

I see a rotation of situational pass rushers We need about 12 more sacks.If three guys get four sacks I'm ok with that add in a few CB and S blitzes and we are top fifteen D !

Don't forget the whole turnover thing.

AsylumGuido · 05-07-2017, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by triman

I see a rotation of situational pass rushers We need about 12 more sacks.If three guys get four sacks I'm ok with that add in a few CB and S blitzes and we are top fifteen D !

If the Saints were to add 12 sacks to last year's total (30, 27th NFL) they would have tied for 3rd in the league behind only Arizona (48) and Carolina (47). A marginal improvement of even six more sacks would have them in 13th position.

Think about that for a second. We are not far off from having very good defense with a little health and improved players and coaching. I feel we have just that.

05-04-2017, 08:41 AM	#31
Threaded by hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by K Major Lol, Let it go Hagan. OJ is a Buc now . let it go? say whay? i will try but i keep track of these things 2006 2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia 34 D'Qwell Jackson LB Maryland 99 Jahri Evans OT Bloomsburg 135 Dawan Landry S Georgia Tech 171 Johnny Jolly DT Texas A&M 210 Zach Strief OT Northwestern 2007 27 Ben Grubbs G Auburn 58 Ryan Kalil C USC 125 Jermon Bushrod OT Towson 2008 10 Ryan Clady OT Boise State 40 Matt Forté RB Tulane 78 Cliff Avril DE Purdue 113 Red Bryant DT Texas A&M 2009 14 Brian Cushing LB USC Trade Shokey TE NYG Trade Vilma 164 Chris Clemons S Clemson 2010 Patrick Robinson CB FSU Brandon LaFell WR LSU Dennis Pitta TE BYU Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech 2011 Cameron Jordan DE John Moffitt G Wisconsin Dion Lewis RB Pittsburgh Pernell McPhee DE Miss St 2012 27 Nick Perry LB USC 89 Nigel Bradham LB FSU 122 Malik Jackson DE Tennessee 162 Jeremy Lane CB NW State 179 J R Sweezy OG NC State 2013 15 Alec Ogletree, WLB 75 Terron Armstead, OT 144 A.J.Klein MLB 2014 27 SS Deone Bucannon Washington St 57 WR Allen Robinson Penn St 91 RB Jerrick Mckinnon Georgia Southern 167 C Tyler Larsen Utah St. 202 OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif McGill - RG 2015 13 WR DeVante Parker Louiville 33 DT Malcom Brown OSU 44 OT Jake Fisher Oregan 75 OLB Eli Harold Virgina 78 CB P.J. Williams FSU 154 CB Charles Gaines Louisville 2016 1 - Laremy Tunsil ROT Ole Miss 2 - Jarran Reed, DT/DE, Alabama 3 - Justin Simmons DB Boston College 4 - Matt Judon, DE, Grand Valley State 5 - DJ Reader NT Clemson Sean Davis vs Vonn Bell 2017 O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6056 251 4.51 #88 Sr Ryan Ramczyk ROT/OG Wisconsin 6052 314 5.29 #65 rJr Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr Trey Hendrickson DE Florida Atlantic 6040 266 4.64 #9 Sr (117) NE (From Saints) - Cook trade Redskins (From Saints) - George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr Brandon Wilson, RB/KR/CB, Houston 5101 198 4.40 #26 rSr Kai Nacua, FS/SS, BYU 6005 209 4.50 #12 Sr not a chance K Major likes this. Last edited by hagan714; 05-04-2017 at 02:30 PM..
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05-04-2017, 09:26 AM	#32
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,036 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Hagin, I'll leave my grade on the draft as W - WAIT AND SEE. I thought Anthony was a outstanding pick & I was almost ready to label Peat as a bust. After year 2, the opposite holds true . hagan714 and Rugby Saint II like this.

05-04-2017, 02:20 PM	#33
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... I always give our draft picks 4 year prove it contract time. Rob Ryan, FA and trad players do not get a break

05-04-2017, 03:36 PM	#34
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,727	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by hagan714 I always give our draft picks 4 year prove it contract time. Rob Ryan, FA and trad players do not get a break True Dat! We have been insufficient evaluating talent. Ireland has helped on the defensive side of the ball but we may need a true football GM, which Loomis is not. He's a yes man and bean counter. jeanpierre likes this.

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05-04-2017, 09:56 PM	#36
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by hagan714 let it go? say whay? i will try but i keep track of these things 2006 2 D'Brickashaw Ferguson OT Virginia 34 D'Qwell Jackson LB Maryland 99 Jahri Evans OT Bloomsburg 135 Dawan Landry S Georgia Tech 171 Johnny Jolly DT Texas A&M 210 Zach Strief OT Northwestern 2007 27 Ben Grubbs G Auburn 58 Ryan Kalil C USC 125 Jermon Bushrod OT Towson 2008 10 Ryan Clady OT Boise State 40 Matt Forté RB Tulane 78 Cliff Avril DE Purdue 113 Red Bryant DT Texas A&M 2009 14 Brian Cushing LB USC Trade Shokey TE NYG Trade Vilma 164 Chris Clemons S Clemson 2010 Patrick Robinson CB FSU Brandon LaFell WR LSU Dennis Pitta TE BYU Kam Chancellor S Virginia Tech 2011 Cameron Jordan DE John Moffitt G Wisconsin Dion Lewis RB Pittsburgh Pernell McPhee DE Miss St 2012 27 Nick Perry LB USC 89 Nigel Bradham LB FSU 122 Malik Jackson DE Tennessee 162 Jeremy Lane CB NW State 179 J R Sweezy OG NC State 2013 15 Alec Ogletree, WLB 75 Terron Armstead, OT 144 A.J.Klein MLB 2014 27 SS Deone Bucannon Washington St 57 WR Allen Robinson Penn St 91 RB Jerrick Mckinnon Georgia Southern 167 C Tyler Larsen Utah St. 202 OT Laurent Duvernay-Tardif McGill - RG 2015 13 WR DeVante Parker Louiville 33 DT Malcom Brown OSU 44 OT Jake Fisher Oregan 75 OLB Eli Harold Virgina 78 CB P.J. Williams FSU 154 CB Charles Gaines Louisville 2016 1 - Laremy Tunsil ROT Ole Miss 2 - Jarran Reed, DT/DE, Alabama 3 - Justin Simmons DB Boston College 4 - Matt Judon, DE, Grand Valley State 5 - DJ Reader NT Clemson Sean Davis vs Vonn Bell 2017 O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6056 251 4.51 #88 Sr Ryan Ramczyk ROT/OG Wisconsin 6052 314 5.29 #65 rJr Marcus Williams FS Utah 6005 202 4.56 #20 Jr Fabian Moreau CB UCLA 6004 206 4.35 #10 rSr Trey Hendrickson DE Florida Atlantic 6040 266 4.64 #9 Sr (117) NE (From Saints) - Cook trade Redskins (From Saints) - George Kittle TE Iowa 6036 250 4.53 #46 rSr Brandon Wilson, RB/KR/CB, Houston 5101 198 4.40 #26 rSr Kai Nacua, FS/SS, BYU 6005 209 4.50 #12 Sr not a chance Look at the offensive lineman we got those first couple years. Payton saw the future withBrees and built around him. We wound up having the best line in the league a few years there.
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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II True Dat! We have been insufficient evaluating talent. Ireland has helped on the defensive side of the ball but we may need a true football GM, which Loomis is not. He's a yes man and bean counter. Look at all the teams in the NFL who have virtual dictatorships where the HCs have all the stroke, it just doesn't work... You gotta have checks and balances and the the only checks and balances Loomis knows are as Payton's trained monkey... Mora was the toast of the NFL with the Saints franchise turnaround, then when he didn't have Mr. Finks to reign him in, he ran what he built into the ground...

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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by triman I see a rotation of situational pass rushers We need about 12 more sacks.If three guys get four sacks I'm ok with that add in a few CB and S blitzes and we are top fifteen D ! Don't forget the whole turnover thing.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Underhill: If you're miffed Saints didn't draft big-name pass rusher, consider this ... Originally Posted by triman I see a rotation of situational pass rushers We need about 12 more sacks.If three guys get four sacks I'm ok with that add in a few CB and S blitzes and we are top fifteen D ! If the Saints were to add 12 sacks to last year's total (30, 27th NFL) they would have tied for 3rd in the league behind only Arizona (48) and Carolina (47). A marginal improvement of even six more sacks would have them in 13th position. Think about that for a second. We are not far off from having very good defense with a little health and improved players and coaching. I feel we have just that.