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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by CharityMike Yeah well..just think how we all felt last season looking at our O line get raped for 4 preseason games. The line always seems to work out so Im gonna keep the faith until I have ...

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Old 05-17-2017, 07:25 AM   #11
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Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's

Originally Posted by CharityMike View Post
Yeah well..just think how we all felt last season looking at our O line get raped for 4 preseason games. The line always seems to work out so Im gonna keep the faith until I have a reason to not.
Mike, that's as much a tribute to Unger and the concern I have for his loss that I can make; praying for his speedy recovery...

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Yes there was a player better but we did not go for broke to sign him...
At times you gotta roll the dice. After years of rolling the dice in FA I like this one better than Byrd, Browner and Fleener.
We didn't spend the extra mil on Nicks and settle for Grubbs, and we weren't the same offense crucial third downs as we had been...

As I said on earlier post(s), not sold on Warford at all...

Hey, I've been pretty optimistic about many parts of our roster, before and after the draft; the interior Offensive line, have okay starters without Unger has me pessimistic right now...
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:29 AM   #12
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Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's

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I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler...
So you'd have added a drop of water to the Saints' squirt gun against Cleveland's water cannon? Look at the contracts. Quick summary:

Zeitler: 3 years, $31 million guaranteed, $42 million total outlay
Warford: 2 years, $17 million guaranteed, $21 million total outlay

In short, it's no contest as Zeitler's contract is essentially double of Warford's. So AP's $3 million or so is essentially a drop in the bucket.

Am not that optimistic about Warford at Right Guard and frustrated with Loomis failing to sign Zeitler...
It's pretty clear the Saints didn't have the money to make a valid offer fo Zeitler.
Some have said that Warford doesn't have to be that good with Unger and Strief on either side of him...

With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard...

Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now...
It's just not possible to have All Pro starters at every position and All pro backups too. Last season the O-line was very effective. This season, at least on paper, the O-line is upgraded.

BTW Unger isn't out indefinitely. Depending on reports, he's unavailable for 3-5 months. The outside edge of that is the 1st quarter of the season plus the bye. If that's what it takes to get his foot healthy enough to play the rest of the season, then it's time well spent.

Every season folks worry about something on offense. Yet every season the offense seems to do fine as long as #9 is back there taking snaps. Last I checked, that hasn't changed.

If you want fact based worrying, then filling in for injuries should be the target. This seems to happen all over the organization.

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Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's

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I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler...

With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard...

Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now...
Well Zeitler went with the team that offered him the most $$. He's a Brown now. Meanwhile Kelemente has enough time to prepare & develop. We have time and Max will be back and in football shape before you know it. I just hope he isn't "rushed" in his healing process.

Saints have to trust the depth behind them. A solid team won't panic (that's us ).
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thats what i thought , we could'nt touch zeitler with the all the other needs in the mix, so i don't think we dropped the ball on zeitler, now big larry i can't seem to recall if he's the pro bowler that had the crazy no. of off sides called on him for fidgety movement on the line , i hope i'm mistaken, o big larr.
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No way we could've outbid Cleveland.
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Re: Underhill: The Saints believe their running game has the potential to be as good as anyone's

Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
I would have rather taken the money we spent on AP and added it to the offer for Zeitler...

Am not that optimistic about Warford at Right Guard and frustrated with Loomis failing to sign Zeitler...

Some have said that Warford doesn't have to be that good with Unger and Strief on either side of him...

With Unger out indefinitely, am getting really concerend; and Peat was only okay at guard...

Gotta say, I'm more than a little concerned with our interior offensive line right now...
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Own 3rd down. I mean absolutely jam it down their throats when we need to convert.

Same for our defense. I have zero statistical information to back this up but I just felt like we often failed to stop teams on critical 3rd downs. Maybe it's the game day beers clouding my judgement.
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What if Klein and Okafor don't work out? Then what?
Then we have 9 other linebackers and 4 other defensive linemen to plug into the spot.

I'm pretty sure I'll never get this concept through to you, but I'm going to try anyway. NFL Football isn't like basketball or baseball where the addition of a single superstar can completely turn around a franchise. Football is a system game where the best overall collection of scheme, coaching and talent carries the day. It's not possible to draft, trade, or sign a single player, even a QB, that can turn a franchise into a dynasty.

Do I think that this defense will be the 85 Bears or the 2000 Ravens? No. But with the other phases of the game the Saints have, they don't need to be for the team to have success in 2017.

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Every season folks worry about something on offense. Yet every season the offense seems to do fine as long as #9 is back there taking snaps. Last I checked, that hasn't changed.
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Except when he plays the likes of Houston and Detroit.
OK then genius GM, who would you have taking snaps over the last 11 seasons that both has the historical production and is successful against Houston and Detroit?

I know you are a grass is greener type of guy. That somehow in each and every player, coaching, and GM positions, that there's a better option that the options we have now.

But unfortunately for you, the offseason in terms of talent evaluation and acquisition is now over. The vast majority of the 53 for 2017 are currently on the 90 man roster. So instead of speculating of "what if an asteroid hits Airline Drive?" or "the HOF QB had a tough game against a good defense" instead tell us how to use the assets we have for maximum positve impact.

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You are far too logical, SFIAH. You'll make his head hurt.
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