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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Drew has several businesses in the city. His kids and wife have roots here. 11 years is a long time to uproot and move to chase a Super Bowl that may not materialize in the ...

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Old 06-20-2017, 09:18 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo View Post
Drew has several businesses in the city. His kids and wife have roots here. 11 years is a long time to uproot and move to chase a Super Bowl that may not materialize in the new city. Major changes were made and heads did roll due to the mediocrity. With new coaches and players it's unfair to compare this team if it goes 7-9 to the past teams. Give them time. We have a very hard start to the season. If we go 2-2 that would be huge. 1-3 would be ok too as long as they continue to improve as the season progresses. From what I've read I think that's all Asylum has asked fellow posters to acknowledge. If we kept the same coaches and went 7-9 then the question would have more weight.
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:09 AM   #92
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Drew has several businesses in the city. His kids and wife have roots here. 11 years is a long time to uproot and move to chase a Super Bowl that may not materialize in the new city. Major changes were made and heads did roll due to the mediocrity. With new coaches and players it's unfair to compare this team if it goes 7-9 to the past teams. Give them time. We have a very hard start to the season. If we go 2-2 that would be huge. 1-3 would be ok too as long as they continue to improve as the season progresses. From what I've read I think that's all Asylum has asked fellow posters to acknowledge. If we kept the same coaches and went 7-9 then the question would have more weight.
If we go 7-9 again and you think it is somehow different then the previous 4 out of 5 and what would then be 5 of 6. Ouch it is already a pattern how many more do you require than 5 of 6 seasons? Let's hope that's not the result and we win the division
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Old 06-21-2017, 11:54 AM   #93
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Barring numerous injuries at key positions I don't feel we will be a 7-9 team. Our record was last year so I get that but 3 games were lost due to game winning field goals being blocked and returned for touchdowns (the Denver one was a flagrant penalty and an OOB). One is rare, 3 are exceptionally rare.

Sean and Mickey have already proved that they know what it takes to make it to the playoffs, to win in the playoffs, to make it to the Superbowl, and to win it all. They have also shown they are aware of what it takes to have a strong to dominant team consistently. They have made significant changes in the off-season and added quality players at key positions. So, the only argument I can really see is that they have become complacent. It certainly does not appear to be the case.

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Old 06-21-2017, 12:52 PM   #94
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Barring numerous injuries at key positions I don't feel we will be a 7-9 team. Our record was last year so I get that but 3 games were lost due to game winning field goals being blocked and returned for touchdowns (the Denver one was a flagrant penalty and an OOB). One is rare, 3 are exceptionally rare.

Sean and Mickey have already proved that they know what it takes to make it to the playoffs, to win in the playoffs, to make it to the Superbowl, and to win it all. They have also shown they are aware of what it takes to have a strong to dominant team consistently. They have made significant changes in the off-season and added quality players at key positions. So, the only argument I can really see is that they have become complacent. It certainly does not appear to be the case.
fair arguments, but it is 3 straight seasons of 7-9, 4 of the last 5. That said I also feel we are better than last season.
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fair arguments, but it is 3 straight seasons of 7-9, 4 of the last 5. That said I also feel we are better than last season.
Me too. Last season could have easily been a 10 win ball club if not for the crucial blunders on special teams that eventually cost us.
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Old 06-21-2017, 01:22 PM   #96
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We all get that there were three straight years of 7-9 records AND four in five years. Why don't you just add it to your signature so you don't have to include the fact in every other post?

But let me point something out. In each of those four seasons there were a small handful of isolated plays that were the differences between ten wins and seven. The vast majority of the games in those four seasons were very competitive. The offense was one of the top in the NFL in each of those seasons. Bad teams do not win seven games. But, that was history. This is a vastly different team in most aspects than the team in those four years. It is time to move on.

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Here is the relevant regulations in the NFLPA documentation:

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(21) (a) Initiating any communication, directly or indirectly, with a player who has entered into a Standard Representation Agreement with another Contract Advisor and such Standard Representation Agreement is on file with the NFLPA if the communication concerns a matter relating to the:
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Old 06-21-2017, 04:21 PM   #98
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You are once again acting like how you perceive things can have any affect on future outcomes. You have no impact. Nothing. Nada. What you said was true ... IF we were somehow empowered to have anything to do with how the Saints franchise is run. You don't get that. Looking back at failures as a fan is doing nothing but wallowing in negativity. There can be NO positives by the action as a fan.

You, my friend, are the one that is delusional.

Delusional

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Fans believing that they have any affect on future success of their favorite franchise are delusional.
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Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness:
He was so delusional and paranoid that he thought his constant highlighting of past failures could have any positive affect on matters totally out of his control.

Until the point in time when you become General Manager of the Saints you are spinning your wheels and pissing into the wind.

Myself, I am totally realistic. I know for a fact that there is nothing at all that I, or any other fan, can do personally to improve the fortune of my beloved Saints. Therefore, I choose to treat it as it is in reality ... entertainment. I get the most out of entertainment when looking at it in a positive manner. It makes me feel good. I can see reality.
I have not seen anyone, anywhere, post anything about being able to change the outcome of what would happen god forbid we have another losing season.
I think this is something you are making up in your head and perceiving as reality. We are talking about what we would want to happen. Again we aren't talking about passing out petitions or calling Benson and the governor demanding change.
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No. You said you have to look back at past failures if you want to be successful. So you agree that looking at past failures, something that you are obsessed with, has no impact on the future success of our team?

You have the total right to look at the world in any manner you choose. You can believe the current roster is 7-9. Fine. Pessimistic and negative.

Myself, I look at the current roster as 0-0 at this point and with all sorts of potential. Optimistic and positive.

I am also the realist between us. I know that nothing I can do or say can affect the success of the team at all as you have been implying all along.

And disregarding failures by a professional football team in the past is what a fan should do. Why waste energy and time worrying about things that you cannot affect. It is best to look ahead and hope for the best.

Tell me, exactly what tangible anything do you have to gain by constantly referencing the negatives associated with the Saints?
He's talking about in life you moron. Parallel to football. Personally you have to learn from your mistakes and do what needs to be done to fix them. Any aspect of life is this way weather it's a football team or the history of the world.
He's trying to explain to you how normal people come to there conclusions.
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No, this is a lie that has already been addressed. You stated previously on here how your "positivity" helped you heal the cancer. I am just talking about what you said. It isn't negativity you seek to avoid, it is reality. You have an inability to deal with it per your own words. You live in a made up world shallow hal.
I totally agree that having a positive outlook in your own life can change how your life turns out drastically. I do believe the will to survive and positive determination can cure disease.
I believe in your own business envisioning success leads to success. Positive thinking DOES lead to positive results in ones own life along with learning from and changing the negative aspect of your past and present.

That is personal life, not football. You can't just will a team to win which he seems to think he can. I think he has a problem separating life and sports.

It's a football team whose job is to win Super Bowls. Nothing wrong with us as fans discussing what we think should happen or what we would do if we COULD do something about it. I'm going to stop because we clearly aren't dealing with a rational person.
He seems like a good person, a caring person, and probably someone whose positivity would rub off on you when it comes to aspects of your personal life, but when it comes to the Saints he goes into lala land.

Even worse he expects everyone else to join him.
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