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Seeing how my last idea went over like a lead balloon, I'm kind of hesitant to suggest anything else. But, I think I have a better idea this time. Maybe !!!

A fair Brooks' debate !! Is that possible, guys?

This time everyone is invited to the party. (BYOB of course)

But I want this debate to be different. I want it to be as fair and balanced as possible.

It's going to be tough, but I think it can be done. And since it's the offseason, I think it's post worthy.

I have an idea but I need some suggestions from all of you.

Here's some general ideas:

1. We need to know if you want to be involved in the discussion.
2. We need to know if you are pro-Brooks or anti-Brooks. Meaning you think he can or can't get the job done. Or if you're on the fence just state that.
3. No flame posts. No stupid remarks. i.e.: Brooks is Jeff George. LOL
4. We need an unbiased moderator who will be fair.
5. We need the moderator to edit anything that breaks the rules and a poster can be disqualified from the debate if he doesn't follow the rules.
6. We need some kind of system for who posts when.
7. We need a point system to determine which crowd wins. (anti or pro Brooks)

These are just suggestions. Any feed back?






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I like this idea.

I\'m guessing teams should be formed, in the manner that you mentioned; pro-Brooks and anti-Brooks. Each team should have a captain chosen by his teammates. Each team member should be in charge of debating pre-determined categories. Each category should have a pro-Brooks post and an anti-Brooks post, and the winner gets a point.

Just my suggestion....

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Here\'s what I\'d like to see. I see 2 teams, pre set to include all that want to participate, Pro-Brooks and Anti Brooks. @ moderators. BnB said he will and so will I.

We set a date for the debate in advance so the teams can work on their answers. Each team can do so througfh pm\'s or in the chat room. If it\'s the chat room then we have to rely on each teams honesty. We have a number of questions to be debated. These can be formed by the \"on the fence members\".
Finally each team will have a certain time allotment to answer the questions.

Last but not least, the judges. The judgement can be made on the number of converts to one side or the other.

Just my thoughts.

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I like the suggestions from GoldenTomb and JoeSam.

I also agree that JoeSam and BlackandBlue would be good moderators for the job. I KNOW neither are big Brooks\' fans but I do trust them to be fair.

Note: I\'d like everyone to participate. But bring your best. Some members here have covered this topic many many times.

Oh, if you are in the anit-Brooks group, you might want to consider getting saintz08 to come out of retirement. He\'s not exactly a \"team\" player but he leaves it all on the field. And of course you guys need WhoDat too.

Be warned, though, I\'m bringing my best stuff ... ;)

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Every Aaron Brooks thread is pretty much a debate... and accomplishes the same thing. I see no point in this as was the last idea. But hey, it\'s a free country and do what you please. I actually feel the same way as gatorman although I didn\'t feel like voicing my opinion to the last idea because it would have probably added LOTS of more flame to the fire. Difference is I\'m going to continue posting on the forums and just mind on own business. Do your thing.

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Let me say this. I can see how some might have taken my last idea the wrong way. I suppose it could have seemed arrogant and seemed like I thought myself and certain members were smarter than anyone else.

But, that REALLY REALLY wasn\'t what I was thinking.

It was a bad idea.

But, this time anyone can participate but under a different set of general rules. I really see no harm in this and I really think it would be interesting.

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Oh, can I be the designated ignorer?
Please, Oh Pretty please!
It would be an honor.

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Actually Danno, you might be a good judge on this subject.

You really don\'t bash Brooks and you really don\'t support him all the way.

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As long as everyone has a chance to participate on a team, I am all for it.

I think we need to identify teams so members can join in by Avatar or something else?

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How do you plan to keep this monster under control??

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I\'m all open for suggestions, WhoDat. Actually, I was kinda hoping you had some good ideas.

The thing is, I want to include anyone who would like to participate but I just want a few different rules. You know, just some rules to keep it on topic and do something like the show \"around the horn\" or PTI.

You\'re a smart guy, WhoDat. Help a brotha out.

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LOL. Can the preseason hurry up and start already so we can go back to arguing??? LOL

My suggestion would be to have an NCAA type tournament. Pick posters, let somebody (Joe) cede them, and go round by round one on one until you get a BnG champ. Reason being, then you have one on one debates, which can reasonably be managed and judged. Otherwise, 40 guys in an AB debate cannot be kept under control, as we have demonstrated about 50,000 times.

You also need to make sure that the \"winner\" is the one who argues his point better, not necessarily the person with the better point. For example, if you had to argue that the defense was good. If you based it on the point, you\'re going to lose to the guy arguing they suck every time. However, if you judge it by who makes the better argument for his position, then you can more easily select a winner. Of course, this assumes that the topics are given to you, and your position on the topic is also provided. Thus, I may have to argue for Brooks, not against him.

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PS - what would be even cooler is to not do it all at once. Have 16 guys go now... then when their tourney is over, pick 16 more. That allows the rest of us to place bets. LOL.

You could then get to a final four or something like that.

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WhoDat --

Well, that\'s one way and it would probably work. But, I\'m really not trying to win an individual award here. I\'m more interested in which \"SIDE\" can make the best arguement.

I don\'t need to win myself. But I\'d like to think that \"My Side\" of the aguement wins.

Of course this isn\'t going to prove anything. But it sure would be interesting if we could set something up along the lines of:

\"AROUND THE HORN\" -ON ESPN.

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If done in the chat room, make it up like a \"debate team\" sort of thing. Once the teams are set, a series of questions/issues could be decided upon by the \"neutral\" parties or the moderators. Each team member would take a seperate and unique question in turn: in other words, only one representative from each side would be allowed to answer the given question in his/her turn. Then another member of each team would debate the next question, and so on. Points would then be rewarded accordingly, or the mods could simply decide which side\'s member presented his/her argument most effectively and reward a point that way.

The chat room would also allow those who are interested in the debate - but not in participating - to see the debate in real time.

Whaddaya think?

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mutineer10 --

That\'s a great idea. Also, we need to utilize the chat room more. I also read where BlackandBlue suggested using the chat room. Props to both of you for that idea.

I had actually forgotten that B&B suggested it in the other thread because of everything else that was going on.

Also, mutineer10, I like the rest of your suggestions very much.

Hopefully, with everyone\'s help, we can get this things set up and under way very soon.

Thanks mutineer10. Good Job!

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I\'ve got a great idea for a debate thread.

1. Lets start a topic about the Saints and have anyone who wants to participate post their thoughts. We could call it a \"forum\".

But of course we\'d need some rules to keep it from getting out of hand. Maybe top the rules at very beginning of all the listed topics open for debate. We could call it \"Forum Conduct Rules\" and have them UPDATED when necessary.

We\'d have to designate someone to police the threads and make sure the rules are followed. It would be a tough demanding thankless job but very necessary. We could call that person a \"Moderator\"

Yea, why didn\'t I think of that before?

Of couse this forum idea thingy could attract some indignant smart-arses also. ;)

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So when does this debate start -- I can start by saying my position -- I think Brooks has the physical abilities and attributes to be a top tier QB. I have been saying this all along. I also think that there are some serious problems with the intangibles of the game. I do not think he has learned to read defenses -- doesn\'t seem to check off properly on the line etc. So let me know when the debate actually starts

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:yourock:

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Danno - I was thinking the same thing.

I\'m just wondering how this would be different than the forum. If anything, it would be more frustrating. You\'ve got 20 guys who are Pro-Brooks and 20 who are Anti-Brooks, and you post once and then wait for 39 other guys to post before you get to post again? Yeah, where do I sign up!?!?! ;)

How about, we just talk some football?

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:yourock: Best post I\'ve seen on these forums to this day.

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:rollinglaugh:

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Not quite as smart-arsed as my reply, but just as elequent and to the point. We don\'t need no stinkin debate.

If you wanna debate? Join a debate club.

Want validation for your take? Make your point precisely clear.

Wanna look like a clueless boob? Buy a Falcon jersey.

But if you wanna talk football? I\'m listening.

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Would verbal abuse from me not be good enough?

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Well, it\'s good enough fo me \'n da chilren, but den we lives in a trailer. :)

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I have to admit that I don\'t see the point in further structuring a debate or discussion, but then again, I wouldn\'t have to participate either so do what you wish.

I have an idea for more participation on this forum by the members for a little while and since you seem to be looking for new things , I\'ll tell you what it is so you can ridicule me for a while.

I thought what would be helpful and informative is if each NFL team was assigned a member from this board. That member would monitor his team\'s fan sites , official site and local new sites and report things of interest back to us here. A little of this has gone on before, but a more concerted effort would help get some info out.

For instance, we recently have had some rumors about trading howard to Oakland for PB and a 2nd. The member who got Oakland would go to fan sites and ask their opinions and check local news and the official site for anything.

We obviously wouldn\'t ban anyone else from doing the same, but at least we\'d know somebody was \"responsible\" for Oakland and was looking into it.

That\'s pretty much it. I know it\'s not earth shattering, but I do think it would add some interesting info to the forum. I\'d say that if we went this route we\'d need some of the more frequent posters to take our division foes and ask that all involved report in an unbiased manner as much as possible.

I\'ll take Detroit.

What do you think?

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Umm, that\'s a damn good idea, Scotty. I like that more than the debate idea. Maybe ask Halo if he\'ll segregate it so it doesn\'t cloud the Saints portion of the site. I\'ll take the Cowboys, since i live here, it would be easy.

I KNEW it!!!!!! :P

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I could be coaxed into taking Green Bay.

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I guess we\'ll just wait and see what kind of interest there\'ll be for this sort of thing before I\'ll ask Halo to go into any additional site changes to accomodate this.

Lions, Cowboys and Packers are covered. Only 28 more to go!

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I could take the panthers

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I like the idea Scotty.

On the other hand ... for all of you that didn\'t like my idea ... I want you guys to know that my feelings are hurt and I\'m thinking about quitting B&G.

I\'m fed up and I ain\'t taking it no more.

Hey, just kidding. You couldn\'t run me away. :D

Aaron Brooks is better than Peyton Manning ... :P

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Billy,

I did like the debate idea (in a sense), but it seemed to ruffle too many feathers.

Here\'s how it might be packaged.
1. A list of topics is generated by the board or selected based on that week\'s Super Saints Weekly maybe. One of them is selected in some impartial way - maybe Halo picks it.
2. Each week, people say if they\'d like to participate in that debate. Four members are selected at random for that week\'s debate (maybe there could be some rule that makes sure everyone gets a turn eventually).
3. There is an exclusive thread for the debate, such that only the moderator of the debate for that week and the two teams can enter. This way, people who aren\'t interested don\'t have to read it, and the forum is still just the way we like it. No reason that the other members can\'t discuss the same topic in the usual way - as could the debators - in the forum.
4. Each member of the debate gets to post once before the other three do - perhaps an order could be established.
5. The debate lasts for only two or three days - this way it doesn\'t take up those valued poster\'s time on the regular forum.
6. The \"winner\" of the debate is left undetermined. It would be up to the individuals who chose to read the debate thread to decide for themselves who won.

This way, everyone gets to play at least some of the time, it isn\'t much (if any) of a distraction to the usual stuff on the forum - which is awesome, and we don\'t have to worry about \"winners\" and such being annoying in the regular forum.

I for one would be interested in reading maybe one thread for a few days that I couldn\'t join in on, so long as it was well structured, I think interesting stuff could come to light. However, it would be annoying to me to lose four good members for a whole week if they got really wrapped up in the debate instead of making their usual posts. This is also open to anyone who is interested and very time constrained, so as to not disrupt the usual flow of the board.

At any rate, I think that is what might work best, if it were to be done.

I don\'t really understand the argument that this would kill the board or significantly change it, as it would only be one thread maybe for a two days - everything else would be the same as always.

At any rate, if it were to happen, I would like to see less emphasis on \"winning\" and have it be very time delimited so it doesn\'t effect other things. Also, people should get the chance to try it out if they\'d like - if not, same ol\' same ol\' - nothing wrong with that.

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Sniff - Sniff - Sniff

Smells like one of those agenda posts in the making .....

Have Saintfan chime in and we know it is an agenda set up ... ;)

I love Sunshiners , they taste like chicken .... :EVILLE:

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Why don\'t you just do it and quit talking about it. Here\'s an idea. Gumbo, you and JKool can work out the format and stuff via PM. Once you got it all set up, start a thread announcing the sign up for the debate, the fornat, etc., and then do it. As time goes on, you can refine it as people see necessary. You can try whatever you want, just do it.

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Good point LB.

I\'m not really sold one way or the other, just for the record.