Hot Seat?

AsylumGuido · 07-14-2017, 07:08 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I am not sure about SP and Brees, but 7-9 over and over and over again will command a change. I am hopeful this year it begins to get turned around. There are a ton of apologist and excuse makers on here. There are no excuses left for another failed season. I think we have a enough talent to compete this year. If we don't then in my opinion sean needs to go and I think it will get very close if not happen

Then move Payton and Brees leaves and the Saints once again become the Cleveland Browns?

There is no way that will happen. We have a premier coach that has constantly produced a top offense and the best QB of our history.

Why are you even projecting the possibility of another "failed season"?

QBREES9 · 07-14-2017, 08:46 PM

My seat kinda of HOT!!!

The Dude · 07-15-2017, 08:11 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Publicly (try spelling that and our QB's name right) butted heads? Post right now exactly where Brees and Payton have publicly butted heads multiple times over the past couple of seasons.

You are as wrong about that as you are about your other flimsy premise.

It's spell check you jackass and I'm not gonna dig for it but Brees changed a play even though Payton specifically told him not to. They jawed at each other on the sidelines and both said something about it in the press conference .afterward. I remember at least two other times that happened.
Pair that with the tweet Brees made about being tired of saying "next year"
Add that up with his year to year contract and only an idiot can't see that writing on the wall.

The Dude · 07-15-2017, 08:18 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Publicly (try spelling that and our QB's name right) butted heads? Post right now exactly where Brees and Payton have publicly butted heads multiple times over the past couple of seasons.

You are as wrong about that as you are about your other flimsy premise.

It's spell check you jackass and I'm not gonna dig for it but Brees changed a play even though Payton specifically told him not to. They jawed at each other on the sidelines and both said something about it in the press conference .afterward. I remember at least two other times that happened.
Pair that with the tweet Brees made about being tired of saying "next year"
Add that up with his year to year contract and only an idiot can't see that writing on the wall.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 07-15-2017, 10:00 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I am not sure about SP and Brees, but 7-9 over and over and over again will command a change.

That may the usual case, but I don't think it works with the current brain trust. The kind of change you seek only comes from fans voting with their feet and dollars. The Saints reportedly have a season ticket waiting list near 77,000 fans. That's a whole lot of people abadoning ship in order to get Mr. Benson's attention.

I am hopeful this year it begins to get turned around. There are a ton of apologist and excuse makers on here. There are no excuses left for another failed season. I think we have a enough talent to compete this year. If we don't then in my opinion sean needs to go and I think it will get very close if not happen

BTW there are always excuses. There are excuses for 31 teams each and every year. A successful year often has elements of just dumb luck both good and bad. No one expected with 2016 Saints to be playing street free agents at cornerback. It happened though. Two blocked kicks to lose games? Unpredictable.

But the bottom line is that each of Loomis, Payton, and Brees will leave on their own terms. If for no other reason, those three brought Mr. Benson and the city a championship.

The only question is if any of the three get frustrated enough to seek other opportunities. But I'd be shocked to see any of them forced out for any reason.

SFIAH

The Dude · 07-15-2017, 10:50 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

That may the usual case, but I don't think it works with the current brain trust. The kind of change you seek only comes from fans voting with their feet and dollars. The Saints reportedly have a season ticket waiting list near 77,000 fans. That's a whole lot of people abadoning ship in order to get Mr. Benson's attention.

BTW there are always excuses. There are excuses for 31 teams each and every year. A successful year often has elements of just dumb luck both good and bad. No one expected with 2016 Saints to be playing street free agents at cornerback. It happened though. Two blocked kicks to lose games? Unpredictable.

But the bottom line is that each of Loomis, Payton, and Brees will leave on their own terms. If for no other reason, those three brought Mr. Benson and the city a championship.

The only question is if any of the three get frustrated enough to seek other opportunities. But I'd be shocked to see any of them forced out for any reason.

SFIAH

That's why I see Brees going over any of them. Paton and loomis have a golden ticket. They are paid well, not micromanaged by ownership, and Payton lives in a city where drugs and alcohol are accepted. Why would they leave. Brees on the other hand could find a team that is a QB away from the Super Bowl and leave for the chance of another Lombardi.

That insane garbage about him being invested here, owning properties and businesses here, and politics are asinine. He can manage his assets for a year or two from another state and move back to Nola after he's done.

AsylumGuido · 07-16-2017, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

It's spell check you jackass and I'm not gonna dig for it but Brees changed a play even though Payton specifically told him not to. They jawed at each other on the sidelines and both said something about it in the press conference .afterward. I remember at least two other times that happened.
Pair that with the tweet Brees made about being tired of saying "next year"
Add that up with his year to year contract and only an idiot can't see that writing on the wall.

You are seeing writing on a wall that isn't there. That is being an idiot. And you didn't show me where Brees and Payton have "publicly butted heads" on multiple occasions. You didn't show me crap because it isn't there. If it was public you should be able to show me links to published accounts of public head butting. Once again, you are totally full of $hit. Trying to invent some imaginary rift between the coach and the QB to satisfy some underlying motive. Grow up. You just claimed three explicit incidences of public butting of heads. Jawing at each other. You are a big boy. Try google if you think they actually exist. If you can't come up with them then you have proved you are full of it.

And Brees NEVER made any tweet about being tired of saying "next year". You can't get anything right, can you?

AsylumGuido · 07-16-2017, 12:48 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

That's why I see Brees going over any of them. Paton and loomis have a golden ticket. They are paid well, not micromanaged by ownership, and Payton lives in a city where drugs and alcohol are accepted. Why would they leave. Brees on the other hand could find a team that is a QB away from the Super Bowl and leave for the chance of another Lombardi.

That insane garbage about him being invested here, owning properties and businesses here, and politics are asinine. He can manage his assets for a year or two from another state and move back to Nola after he's done.

What the hell are you talking about "drugs and alcohol are accepted"? What is your problem? Are you for real? What are you implying? Are you saying that Sean Payton is a drug addict?

|Mitch| · 07-16-2017, 02:02 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You are seeing writing on a wall that isn't there. That is being an idiot. And you didn't show me where Brees and Payton have "publicly butted heads" on multiple occasions. You didn't show me crap because it isn't there. If it was public you should be able to show me links to published accounts of public head butting. Once again, you are totally full of $hit. Trying to invent some imaginary rift between the coach and the QB to satisfy some underlying motive. Grow up. You just claimed three explicit incidences of public butting of heads. Jawing at each other. You are a big boy. Try google if you think they actually exist. If you can't come up with them then you have proved you are full of it.

And Brees NEVER made any tweet about being tired of saying "next year".

I can vouch for this; I just read every one of Drew's tweets dating back to December and nothing was said about "tired" of saying next year...

AsylumGuido · 07-16-2017, 07:31 AM

Originally Posted by |Mitch|

I can vouch for this; I just read every one of Drew's tweets dating back to December and nothing was said about "tired" of saying next year...

There was no need. I have addressed this exact same lie in this forum on two separate occasions, the last one being exactly one month ago by The Dude himself.

With this post ...

Being guaranteed that The Dude will be too lazy to click on the link I will post his lie right here and my proof that he simply has no idea about dealing with facts.

______________________________________________

The Dude on 6/16/2017 in reply to spkb25:

Originally Posted by spkb25 View Post
That's my expectation, yes. Playoffs or get out. Ever think Drew is thinking the same?

I do. He did tweet that he was getting tired of telling himself "wait till next year". Given the time it could have been simply frustration but it is very uncharacteristic of him to put something like that on social media.
I think it will depend on how the season goes. If we miss the playoffs with an 11-5 or so record and he sees positive development he stays.

If not I think he moves on.

_____________________________________________

Here is what I posted in response:

Once again, try getting your facts straight. It would have been uncharacteristic of Brees to put something like that on social media because he never did. Brees was interviewed by Mike Nabors and Nabors posted the following tweet without any context.

Nabors later posted the following tweet explaining that the context of the quote had nothing to do with any possibility of leaving the Saints for another team. It had to do with his own career.

To further place this all in context, the interview was immediately following the final game of the season against the Falcons. Brees subsequently expressed and stressed his desire to play with the Saints well into his forties.

Do you ever research anything before you post it as fact?

_______________________________________________

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. In this case the horse could be described as more of a jackass.

07-14-2017, 07:08 PM	#11
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Hot Seat? Originally Posted by spkb25 I am not sure about SP and Brees, but 7-9 over and over and over again will command a change. I am hopeful this year it begins to get turned around. There are a ton of apologist and excuse makers on here. There are no excuses left for another failed season. I think we have a enough talent to compete this year. If we don't then in my opinion sean needs to go and I think it will get very close if not happen Then move Payton and Brees leaves and the Saints once again become the Cleveland Browns? There is no way that will happen. We have a premier coach that has constantly produced a top offense and the best QB of our history. Why are you even projecting the possibility of another "failed season"?

07-14-2017, 08:46 PM	#12
QBREES9 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Haven Ct Posts: 23,982	Re: Hot Seat? My seat kinda of HOT!!!

07-15-2017, 08:11 PM	#13
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Hot Seat? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Publicly (try spelling that and our QB's name right) butted heads? Post right now exactly where Brees and Payton have publicly butted heads multiple times over the past couple of seasons. You are as wrong about that as you are about your other flimsy premise. It's spell check you jackass and I'm not gonna dig for it but Brees changed a play even though Payton specifically told him not to. They jawed at each other on the sidelines and both said something about it in the press conference .afterward. I remember at least two other times that happened. Pair that with the tweet Brees made about being tired of saying "next year" Add that up with his year to year contract and only an idiot can't see that writing on the wall. 44Champs likes this.
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07-15-2017, 08:18 PM	#14
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Hot Seat? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Publicly (try spelling that and our QB's name right) butted heads? Post right now exactly where Brees and Payton have publicly butted heads multiple times over the past couple of seasons. You are as wrong about that as you are about your other flimsy premise. It's spell check you jackass and I'm not gonna dig for it but Brees changed a play even though Payton specifically told him not to. They jawed at each other on the sidelines and both said something about it in the press conference .afterward. I remember at least two other times that happened. Pair that with the tweet Brees made about being tired of saying "next year" Add that up with his year to year contract and only an idiot can't see that writing on the wall.
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07-15-2017, 10:00 PM	#15
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,647	Re: Hot Seat? Originally Posted by spkb25 I am not sure about SP and Brees, but 7-9 over and over and over again will command a change. That may the usual case, but I don't think it works with the current brain trust. The kind of change you seek only comes from fans voting with their feet and dollars. The Saints reportedly have a season ticket waiting list near 77,000 fans. That's a whole lot of people abadoning ship in order to get Mr. Benson's attention. I am hopeful this year it begins to get turned around. There are a ton of apologist and excuse makers on here. There are no excuses left for another failed season. I think we have a enough talent to compete this year. If we don't then in my opinion sean needs to go and I think it will get very close if not happen BTW there are always excuses. There are excuses for 31 teams each and every year. A successful year often has elements of just dumb luck both good and bad. No one expected with 2016 Saints to be playing street free agents at cornerback. It happened though. Two blocked kicks to lose games? Unpredictable. But the bottom line is that each of Loomis, Payton, and Brees will leave on their own terms. If for no other reason, those three brought Mr. Benson and the city a championship. The only question is if any of the three get frustrated enough to seek other opportunities. But I'd be shocked to see any of them forced out for any reason. SFIAH
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07-15-2017, 10:50 PM	#16
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Hot Seat? Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL That may the usual case, but I don't think it works with the current brain trust. The kind of change you seek only comes from fans voting with their feet and dollars. The Saints reportedly have a season ticket waiting list near 77,000 fans. That's a whole lot of people abadoning ship in order to get Mr. Benson's attention. BTW there are always excuses. There are excuses for 31 teams each and every year. A successful year often has elements of just dumb luck both good and bad. No one expected with 2016 Saints to be playing street free agents at cornerback. It happened though. Two blocked kicks to lose games? Unpredictable. But the bottom line is that each of Loomis, Payton, and Brees will leave on their own terms. If for no other reason, those three brought Mr. Benson and the city a championship. The only question is if any of the three get frustrated enough to seek other opportunities. But I'd be shocked to see any of them forced out for any reason. SFIAH That's why I see Brees going over any of them. Paton and loomis have a golden ticket. They are paid well, not micromanaged by ownership, and Payton lives in a city where drugs and alcohol are accepted. Why would they leave. Brees on the other hand could find a team that is a QB away from the Super Bowl and leave for the chance of another Lombardi. That insane garbage about him being invested here, owning properties and businesses here, and politics are asinine. He can manage his assets for a year or two from another state and move back to Nola after he's done.
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07-16-2017, 12:39 AM	#17
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Hot Seat? Originally Posted by The Dude It's spell check you jackass and I'm not gonna dig for it but Brees changed a play even though Payton specifically told him not to. They jawed at each other on the sidelines and both said something about it in the press conference .afterward. I remember at least two other times that happened. Pair that with the tweet Brees made about being tired of saying "next year" Add that up with his year to year contract and only an idiot can't see that writing on the wall. You are seeing writing on a wall that isn't there. That is being an idiot. And you didn't show me where Brees and Payton have "publicly butted heads" on multiple occasions. You didn't show me crap because it isn't there. If it was public you should be able to show me links to published accounts of public head butting. Once again, you are totally full of $hit. Trying to invent some imaginary rift between the coach and the QB to satisfy some underlying motive. Grow up. You just claimed three explicit incidences of public butting of heads. Jawing at each other. You are a big boy. Try google if you think they actually exist. If you can't come up with them then you have proved you are full of it. And Brees NEVER made any tweet about being tired of saying "next year". You can't get anything right, can you?
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07-16-2017, 12:48 AM	#18
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Hot Seat? Originally Posted by The Dude That's why I see Brees going over any of them. Paton and loomis have a golden ticket. They are paid well, not micromanaged by ownership, and Payton lives in a city where drugs and alcohol are accepted. Why would they leave. Brees on the other hand could find a team that is a QB away from the Super Bowl and leave for the chance of another Lombardi. That insane garbage about him being invested here, owning properties and businesses here, and politics are asinine. He can manage his assets for a year or two from another state and move back to Nola after he's done. What the hell are you talking about "drugs and alcohol are accepted"? What is your problem? Are you for real? What are you implying? Are you saying that Sean Payton is a drug addict?

07-16-2017, 02:02 AM	#19
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Hot Seat? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You are seeing writing on a wall that isn't there. That is being an idiot. And you didn't show me where Brees and Payton have "publicly butted heads" on multiple occasions. You didn't show me crap because it isn't there. If it was public you should be able to show me links to published accounts of public head butting. Once again, you are totally full of $hit. Trying to invent some imaginary rift between the coach and the QB to satisfy some underlying motive. Grow up. You just claimed three explicit incidences of public butting of heads. Jawing at each other. You are a big boy. Try google if you think they actually exist. If you can't come up with them then you have proved you are full of it. And Brees NEVER made any tweet about being tired of saying "next year". I can vouch for this; I just read every one of Drew's tweets dating back to December and nothing was said about "tired" of saying next year...

07-16-2017, 07:31 AM	#20
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Hot Seat? Originally Posted by \|Mitch\| I can vouch for this; I just read every one of Drew's tweets dating back to December and nothing was said about "tired" of saying next year... There was no need. I have addressed this exact same lie in this forum on two separate occasions, the last one being exactly one month ago by The Dude himself. With this post ... Being guaranteed that The Dude will be too lazy to click on the link I will post his lie right here and my proof that he simply has no idea about dealing with facts. ______________________________________________ The Dude on 6/16/2017 in reply to spkb25: Originally Posted by spkb25 View Post That's my expectation, yes. Playoffs or get out. Ever think Drew is thinking the same? I do. He did tweet that he was getting tired of telling himself "wait till next year". Given the time it could have been simply frustration but it is very uncharacteristic of him to put something like that on social media. I think it will depend on how the season goes. If we miss the playoffs with an 11-5 or so record and he sees positive development he stays. If not I think he moves on. _____________________________________________ Here is what I posted in response: Once again, try getting your facts straight. It would have been uncharacteristic of Brees to put something like that on social media because he never did. Brees was interviewed by Mike Nabors and Nabors posted the following tweet without any context. Twitter Nabors later posted the following tweet explaining that the context of the quote had nothing to do with any possibility of leaving the Saints for another team. It had to do with his own career. Twitter To further place this all in context, the interview was immediately following the final game of the season against the Falcons. Brees subsequently expressed and stressed his desire to play with the Saints well into his forties. Do you ever research anything before you post it as fact? _______________________________________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink. In this case the horse could be described as more of a jackass.
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