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baronm 04-01-2005 01:40 PM
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Last week in this space, we reported that the Oakland Raiders were the latest team to demonstrate interest in acquiring New Orleans "franchise" defensive end Darren Howard in a trade. This week, the Raiders ratcheted up talks by speaking directly with Howard's agent, Gary Wichard, about what it would take to sign his client to a long-term contract.

That doesn't necessarily mean the trade negotiations are significantly further along, only that Oakland remains interested enough to have made the next logical step. Word is that Howard isn't quite as enamored with the prospects of going to Oakland as he was the potential for a trade to Dallas, where he would be reunited with Cowboys tackle La'Roi Glover, a former New Orleans line mate. Translation: It's going to take a little more money to persuade Howard, who is coming off a season in which he tied his career best for sacks (11) despite playing much of the season out of position at tackle, that he wants to commit long-term to the Raiders. How much more? We don't know. But Wichard had proposed to the Cowboys, who remain interested in Howard as well, a six-year deal at $34 million and change, with $16 million of that in bonus money.

Another sticking point is that Saints officials haven't demonstrated much interest in the trade bait the Raiders are dangling, principally "franchise" cornerback Charles Woodson.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...=2027049&num=5

[Edited on 1/4/2005 by baronm]

GoldenTomb 04-01-2005 03:03 PM
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I think the Raiders are FAR more desperate to get rid of Woodson than we are to get rid of Howard. If the Saints can squeeze a 3rd or 4th round draft pick out of Oaktown and Woodson agrees on a decent contract.... :D

WhoDat 04-01-2005 03:34 PM
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I\'ll take Woodson... but not if he keeps demanding to be the highest paid player in the whole damn league.

GumboBC 04-01-2005 03:37 PM
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I\'ll take Woodson... but not if he keeps demanding to be the highest paid player in the whole damn league.
I agree. We don\'t want to piss Joe Horn off. God knows Joe deserves to be paid like the top receiver in the NFL.

WhoDat 04-01-2005 03:53 PM
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Now you\'re starting to get it.

spkb25 04-01-2005 06:22 PM
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well whodat and gumbo im with you. i dont want to over pay for someone else especially someone elses problem.

Rsanders24 04-01-2005 07:35 PM
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I still would rather have PB and a second or third than Woodson for cap reasons and he would be a terrible cancer in the locker room if he wasn\'t the highest paid player in the NFL. Also we would not save any money because he would still want 6 mill a year on a new deal. I also think that we would benefit more by having a better D lineman than CB.

spkb25 04-01-2005 08:03 PM
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you are right rsanders

stockman311 04-01-2005 10:19 PM
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We can\'t afford to swap one huge cap number for another. There is no way we take Woodson and his horrible demands and hard to deal with agents in a trade for Howard. The bottom line is that a deal for Howard may go down three weeks from now on Draft Day or not at all.

FireVenturi 04-01-2005 11:47 PM
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The whole point of shipping out Howard so we can sign our picks, etc. Woodson would only add to that problem,,,,,i agree with everyone!!!!

GoldenTomb 04-02-2005 02:40 AM
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Well with that kind of thinking, we would have never gotten Mike McKenzie. The only difference is that McKenzie wasn\'t franchised. He was demanding huge money and was labeled a malcontent and the whole nine yards. I bet you are all happy with McKenzie though, right?

I would go so far as to say that Woodson is at least as talented as McKenzie.

If we got Woodson, it would be because he agreed on a long term contract, and he WANTED to come to New Orleans, so all of this cancer talk would be moot. NO TEAM would agree to trade for his cap number AS IS...it would totally negate us getting rid of Howard in the first place, Even the Saints FO isn\'t that dumb.

FireVenturi 04-02-2005 10:33 AM
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Well with that kind of thinking, we would have never gotten Mike McKenzie. The only difference is that McKenzie wasn\'t franchised. He was demanding huge money and was labeled a malcontent and the whole nine yards. I bet you are all happy with McKenzie though, right?

I would go so far as to say that Woodson is at least as talented as McKenzie.

If we got Woodson, it would be because he agreed on a long term contract, and he WANTED to come to New Orleans, so all of this cancer talk would be moot. NO TEAM would agree to trade for his cap number AS IS...it would totally negate us getting rid of Howard in the first place, Even the Saints FO isn\'t that dumb.
Yea but we had a lot more cap room then, then we do now. Do you realize we are only about 1 mil. over the cap?

GoldenTomb 04-02-2005 02:51 PM
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Ummm yeah but even if we signed him we could defer a lot of that with a signing bonus though, therefore giving us more money under the cap. Signing bonuses are cool like that.

spkb25 04-02-2005 03:00 PM
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hey if we got the guy it wouldnt hurt. but i dont want him bringing the garbage he has going on with the raid. but maybe a fresh start would change that for him. but how much money is he looking for. i mean we cant pay the guy an arm and a leg. maybe an arm or a leg but not both

LKelley67 04-12-2005 09:45 AM
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with his less impact play the last coupla tears he couldn\'t go for more than smoot or rolle, 6 yrs, 30-34mil including 11mil bonus range.

blake6900 04-12-2005 11:53 AM
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The reason the Saints wanna trade Howard is because they can\'t afford him. The Raiders have the same problem with Woodson and more. For one, he\'s simply a big pain in the ass. Second, he\'s largely overrated. He never lived up to the hype which quite frankly seems to be problematic with most highly touted players coming out of Michigan. Third, he can\'t last. He\'s injury prone and misses an average of four games a year. Fourth, he\'s not Deion and never will be.


He comes with too high a price and brings too much crap to the table. The Saints just don\'t need the aggravation. I would hope New Orleans learned their lesson with players telling them how good they are. Statistically Aaron Brooks was very good. He got his \"top 5\" contract and went to hell. Woodson has no trouble telling everyone how good he is but, living in Northern California as I do, I see a lot of Raider games and there is no team in the NFL afraid to throw at him. None. Much talk has been made about how much \"Mr. Davis\" likes this guy but it\'s no secret the Raiders would love to offload this has-been who really never was.

Zulu--King 04-12-2005 12:11 PM
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I agree that Woodson may not be worth the price or aggravation. I think a better move would\'ve been to get a possible #1 for Darren, then go after Corey Simon, Andre Dyson, and Sharper.

Couldn\'t hurt to try, but Woodson\'s contract may hinder our options for getting other FAs, and resigning players already here.


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