Mark Ingram: I can do the same things Le’Veon Bell, David Johnson do

08-04-2017, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You can only say what the press urges you to say.

I just don't care for him running his mouth when you look at what the Saints have invested and the returns we're just now getting...

Marques Colston, Pierre Thomas & Drew Brees have really spoiled me as a Saints Fan - they're ideal ProFootball Players for my perspective...

Utah_Saint · 08-04-2017, 11:23 PM

Considering they signed Adrian Peterson and drafted Kamara, I'd guess the Saints aren't as confident in Ingram as Ingram is.

jeanpierre · 08-05-2017, 04:11 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Considering they signed Adrian Peterson and drafted Kamara, I'd guess the Saints aren't as confident in Ingram as Ingram is.

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AsylumGuido · 08-05-2017, 09:04 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Considering they signed Adrian Peterson and drafted Kamara, I'd guess the Saints aren't as confident in Ingram as Ingram is.

Name one period during Payton's tenure in which the Saints haven't used a RB by committee. I don't think there is any lack of confidence in Ingram. They simply know that you cannot have too many good RB's on your roster. Don't forget 2011 when we ended up with Ladell Betts and Julius Jones in the rotation with Chris Ivory. Pierre Thomas AND Reggie Bush were injured. Our offense was rolling and we were coming off three straight games scoring more than 30 points. Then, with the depleted RB corps we lost two of the final three and only getting the wild card. We limped into the playoffs on the road against a 7-9 Seattle and lost. If we would have had a deeper RB group we could have won that game.

SmashMouth · 08-05-2017, 02:25 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Name one period during Payton's tenure in which the Saints haven't used a RB by committee. I don't think there is any lack of confidence in Ingram. They simply know that you cannot have too many good RB's on your roster. Don't forget 2011 when we ended up with Ladell Betts and Julius Jones in the rotation with Chris Ivory. Pierre Thomas AND Reggie Bush were injured. Our offense was rolling and we were coming off three straight games scoring more than 30 points. Then, with the depleted RB corps we lost two of the final three and only getting the wild card. We limped into the playoffs on the road against a 7-9 Seattle and lost. If we would have had a deeper RB group we could have won that game.

With all due respect, the Saints D could not stop Beastmode that game. That was a disgrace.

AsylumGuido · 08-05-2017, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

With all due respect, the Saints D could not stop Beastmode that game. That was a disgrace.

Lynch had 131 yards that game and 67 of those came on that one play. The Saints in total had 78 led by Julius Jones with 59. And six of those were by Brees. We lost by five (5) points. If we would have had solid depth at RB it very well could have made enough of a difference to pull out a win.

Rugby Saint II · 08-05-2017, 04:19 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

And, for the record, I have been very critical of Ingram, mostly the picks it took, the reach for a poor fit to our offense, and his sloooow development...

But I do think he's a quality back who needs constant competition to keep him focused, working hard...

His got an appropriate salary cap number, that can be tweaked if he elects to stay after next season...

And I like him now, what he can do, and the role Payton has carved out for him on this team...

I'd just tell him to STFU and Do Your Job!

I watched him in college and loved the selection. Roll Tide!

Still, it did take awhile for him to put it together in a complete package.

hagan714 · 08-05-2017, 06:47 PM

LMAO have yet to see it and at 28 yrs old his time is running out as is his contract in 2019. He has done little since he was drafted not to look closely at RB in any draft since the saints added him.

This year it is

Derrius Guice RB LSU 5106 222 4.45 #5 Jr
What else does the kid need to prove? Pass catching? Rushing? Blocking? If the answer is yes to all 3 at draft time then he is the perfect fit for the saints offense. I mean PERFECT.

Letting Mark walk as a fear agent does not make me nervous. never has. he is a good serviceable back and that is about it.

SmashMouth · 08-05-2017, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by hagan714

LMAO have yet to see it and at 28 yrs old his time is running out as is his contract in 2019. He has done little since he was drafted not to look closely at RB in any draft.

This year it is

Derrius Guice RB LSU 5106 222 4.45 #5 Jr
What else does the kid need to prove? Pass catching? Rushing? Blocking? If the answer is yes to all 3 at draft time then he is the perfect fit for the saints offense. I mean PERFECT.

Letting Mark walk as a fear agent does not make me nervous. never has. he is just serviceable IMO

SapperSaint · 08-08-2017, 10:21 AM

Originally Posted by SaintGup

I thought he proved it last year by being the first thousand yard back we've had since Deuce and doing it at over five yards a carry. Can't we give the guy some credit?

Yeah. He had a good year last year. After how many seasons???

2011
Rushing: 474 yds/3.9 avg/5 TD
Receiving: 46 yds/4.2 avg/0 TD
1 Fumble

2012
Rush: 602 yds/3.9 avg/5 TD
Receiving: 29 yds/4.8 avg/0 TD
0 Fumble

2013
Run: 386/4.9/1
Catch: 68/9.7/0
0 Fumble

2014
Run: 964/4.3/9
Catch: 145/5.0/0
3 Fumbles

2015
Run: 769/4.6/6
Catch: 405/8.1/0
2 Fumbles

2016
Run: 1,043/5.1/6
Catch: 319/6.9/4
2 Fumbles

I'm not taking any credit from Mark. I won't say he didn't have a good year last year. I didn't single Mark out. I said I am tired of hearing these "players" talk about how great they are. They should all stop the self induced hype and prove how good they are on the field. Talk is extremely cheap. Anyone can talk about how good they are. You are only great when others talk about how great you are.

Mark was a great college player.
Deuce was good college player and a good Pro.
Reggie Bush was a great college player.
Tom Brady was a college player, Great HoF Pro. (Yes I left out "good")
Brett Favre was an ok college player, Great HoF Pro.
Drew was a good College player, Great HoF Pro.

Nothing against Mark. I like him, was happy when we drafted him. 1 great season out of 6, doesn't blow my skirt up. I want him to have a better year this year. He is learning how the Pro game is played. Not often do you see a Pro get better as time goes by. Mark seems to be doing just that. I hope it continues.

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Threaded by jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You can only say what the press urges you to say. I just don't care for him running his mouth when you look at what the Saints have invested and the returns we're just now getting... Marques Colston, Pierre Thomas & Drew Brees have really spoiled me as a Saints Fan - they're ideal ProFootball Players for my perspective... SapperSaint, Barry from MS and SmashMouth like this.
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08-04-2017, 11:23 PM	#22
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Mark Ingram: I can do the same things Le’Veon Bell, David Johnson do Considering they signed Adrian Peterson and drafted Kamara, I'd guess the Saints aren't as confident in Ingram as Ingram is.

08-05-2017, 09:04 AM	#24
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Mark Ingram: I can do the same things Le’Veon Bell, David Johnson do Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Considering they signed Adrian Peterson and drafted Kamara, I'd guess the Saints aren't as confident in Ingram as Ingram is. Name one period during Payton's tenure in which the Saints haven't used a RB by committee. I don't think there is any lack of confidence in Ingram. They simply know that you cannot have too many good RB's on your roster. Don't forget 2011 when we ended up with Ladell Betts and Julius Jones in the rotation with Chris Ivory. Pierre Thomas AND Reggie Bush were injured. Our offense was rolling and we were coming off three straight games scoring more than 30 points. Then, with the depleted RB corps we lost two of the final three and only getting the wild card. We limped into the playoffs on the road against a 7-9 Seattle and lost. If we would have had a deeper RB group we could have won that game.
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08-05-2017, 02:25 PM	#25
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 36,958 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Mark Ingram: I can do the same things Le’Veon Bell, David Johnson do Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Name one period during Payton's tenure in which the Saints haven't used a RB by committee. I don't think there is any lack of confidence in Ingram. They simply know that you cannot have too many good RB's on your roster. Don't forget 2011 when we ended up with Ladell Betts and Julius Jones in the rotation with Chris Ivory. Pierre Thomas AND Reggie Bush were injured. Our offense was rolling and we were coming off three straight games scoring more than 30 points. Then, with the depleted RB corps we lost two of the final three and only getting the wild card. We limped into the playoffs on the road against a 7-9 Seattle and lost. If we would have had a deeper RB group we could have won that game. With all due respect, the Saints D could not stop Beastmode that game. That was a disgrace. halloween 65 likes this.

08-05-2017, 02:37 PM	#26
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: Mark Ingram: I can do the same things Le’Veon Bell, David Johnson do Originally Posted by SmashMouth With all due respect, the Saints D could not stop Beastmode that game. That was a disgrace. Lynch had 131 yards that game and 67 of those came on that one play. The Saints in total had 78 led by Julius Jones with 59. And six of those were by Brees. We lost by five (5) points. If we would have had solid depth at RB it very well could have made enough of a difference to pull out a win.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,718	Re: Mark Ingram: I can do the same things Le’Veon Bell, David Johnson do Originally Posted by jeanpierre And, for the record, I have been very critical of Ingram, mostly the picks it took, the reach for a poor fit to our offense, and his sloooow development... But I do think he's a quality back who needs constant competition to keep him focused, working hard... His got an appropriate salary cap number, that can be tweaked if he elects to stay after next season... And I like him now, what he can do, and the role Payton has carved out for him on this team... I'd just tell him to STFU and Do Your Job! I watched him in college and loved the selection. Roll Tide! Still, it did take awhile for him to put it together in a complete package.

08-05-2017, 06:47 PM	#28
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Mark Ingram: I can do the same things Le’Veon Bell, David Johnson do LMAO have yet to see it and at 28 yrs old his time is running out as is his contract in 2019. He has done little since he was drafted not to look closely at RB in any draft since the saints added him. This year it is Derrius Guice RB LSU 5106 222 4.45 #5 Jr What else does the kid need to prove? Pass catching? Rushing? Blocking? If the answer is yes to all 3 at draft time then he is the perfect fit for the saints offense. I mean PERFECT. Letting Mark walk as a fear agent does not make me nervous. never has. he is a good serviceable back and that is about it. MatthewT and SapperSaint like this.
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08-08-2017, 10:21 AM	#30
SapperSaint Pink Nightmare Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Mississippi Posts: 3,028 Blog Entries: 7	Re: Mark Ingram: I can do the same things Le’Veon Bell, David Johnson do Originally Posted by SaintGup I thought he proved it last year by being the first thousand yard back we've had since Deuce and doing it at over five yards a carry. Can't we give the guy some credit? Yeah. He had a good year last year. After how many seasons??? 2011 Rushing: 474 yds/3.9 avg/5 TD Receiving: 46 yds/4.2 avg/0 TD 1 Fumble 2012 Rush: 602 yds/3.9 avg/5 TD Receiving: 29 yds/4.8 avg/0 TD 0 Fumble 2013 Run: 386/4.9/1 Catch: 68/9.7/0 0 Fumble 2014 Run: 964/4.3/9 Catch: 145/5.0/0 3 Fumbles 2015 Run: 769/4.6/6 Catch: 405/8.1/0 2 Fumbles 2016 Run: 1,043/5.1/6 Catch: 319/6.9/4 2 Fumbles I'm not taking any credit from Mark. I won't say he didn't have a good year last year. I didn't single Mark out. I said I am tired of hearing these "players" talk about how great they are. They should all stop the self induced hype and prove how good they are on the field. Talk is extremely cheap. Anyone can talk about how good they are. You are only great when others talk about how great you are. Mark was a great college player. Deuce was good college player and a good Pro. Reggie Bush was a great college player. Tom Brady was a college player, Great HoF Pro. (Yes I left out "good") Brett Favre was an ok college player, Great HoF Pro. Drew was a good College player, Great HoF Pro. Nothing against Mark. I like him, was happy when we drafted him. 1 great season out of 6, doesn't blow my skirt up. I want him to have a better year this year. He is learning how the Pro game is played. Not often do you see a Pro get better as time goes by. Mark seems to be doing just that. I hope it continues. hagan714 likes this.
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