Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback

09-04-2017, 03:24 PM

vpheughan · 09-04-2017, 03:26 PM

Thank you Mr. Obvious Spock!

|Mitch| · 09-04-2017, 03:31 PM

Nope; I think we should quit looking for the next quarterback and hope something miraculous happens...

Danno · 09-04-2017, 04:03 PM

How many elite QB's in the game today were picked after round 1?

|Mitch| · 09-04-2017, 04:12 PM

...

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Simply not true - Look at some of the league's top rated passers last season...

Tom Brady - 2000 NFL Draft Round 6, Pick 199 (Note: He's won a few Superbowls, the last one has him considered the GOAT now)

Dak Prescott - 2016 NFL Draft, Round 4, Pick 135 (Note: Taken after QBs Jared Goff (No.1 pick), Carson Wentz (No. 2 pick), and Paxton Lynch (No. 26 pick) - all in the first round)

Aaron Rodgers - 2005 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 24 (Note: SF took QB Alex Smith with the top pick of the draft)

Drew Brees - 2001 NFL Draft, Round 2, Pick 32 (Note: SD let him depart via FA, opted for Phillip Rivers 2004 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 4)

Kirk Cousins - 2012 NFL Draft, Round 4, Pick 102 (Note: His own team, the Shanahan Redskins, traded the farm to move up and take Robert Griffin No. 2 overall in same draft)

Derek Carr - 2014 NFL Draft, Round 2, Pick 36 (Note: Taken after QBs Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, and Tedy Bridgewater - all in the first round)

and the league's top rated passer last season? You're right, he was a high pick...

Matt "Matty Ice" Ryan - 2008 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 3 (Note: He just delivered one of the all-time chokes in Sporting History)

And should I bring up UDFA QB Kurt Warner, bagging groceries at one point between College and NFL, took two different franchises to a Superbowl?

But, I will mention that SF QB Joe Montana (3X SuperBowl MVP, 4X Champ) was the last pick taken in the third round of the 1979 draft...

Danno · 09-04-2017, 04:19 PM

I said elite.

only 5 of the top 20 last year were drafted out of the 1st round, and a few were high 2nd rounders like Brees and Carr.

Prescott isn't exactly elite, however if it weren't for the DUI he would have likely been a 1st rounder, or high 2nd.

jeanpierre · 09-04-2017, 04:44 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

I said elite.

only 5 of the top 20 last year were drafted out of the 1st round, and a few were high 2nd rounders like Brees and Carr.

Prescott isn't exactly elite, however if it weren't for the DUI he would have likely been a 1st rounder, or high 2nd.

You're absolutely right, Prescott isn't exactly elite: but his success illustrates that there are many approaches to setting the table for a QB to be successful...

For Brees, he was good, not elite, till he joined forces with Sean Payton in New Orleans as a non-retained Free Agent; so in Brees' case, his success was due in large part to the coaching...

As the same could be said for Tom Brady; he joined forces with Bill Belichick, the standard in NFL coaching and personnel management today...

While I'd agree the odds are much greater for success taking a QB in the first round that has greater physical skills...

I think it's the team, the existing personnel, and most of all, the coaching that plays a larger role in that QB's success...

New Orleans, with Sean Payton & Co., doesn't need a Top 15 Quarterback to be successful (which is why I was so relieved KC saved Payton from the Mahomes gaffe)...

It'd be nice, but not necessary; and until recent draft success by the Saints with Ireland in-house, I was betting the next QB was going to be found in the UDFA pile...

NOLA54 · 09-05-2017, 12:31 PM

I think we still have time to clone Drew.

Rugby Saint II · 09-05-2017, 01:02 PM

Euphoria · 09-05-2017, 01:28 PM

His name is Hill.

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09-04-2017, 03:26 PM	#2
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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback Nope; I think we should quit looking for the next quarterback and hope something miraculous happens...

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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback How many elite QB's in the game today were picked after round 1?

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\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback ... Originally Posted by jeanpierre Simply not true - Look at some of the league's top rated passers last season... Tom Brady - 2000 NFL Draft Round 6, Pick 199 (Note: He's won a few Superbowls, the last one has him considered the GOAT now) Dak Prescott - 2016 NFL Draft, Round 4, Pick 135 (Note: Taken after QBs Jared Goff (No.1 pick), Carson Wentz (No. 2 pick), and Paxton Lynch (No. 26 pick) - all in the first round) Aaron Rodgers - 2005 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 24 (Note: SF took QB Alex Smith with the top pick of the draft) Drew Brees - 2001 NFL Draft, Round 2, Pick 32 (Note: SD let him depart via FA, opted for Phillip Rivers 2004 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 4) Kirk Cousins - 2012 NFL Draft, Round 4, Pick 102 (Note: His own team, the Shanahan Redskins, traded the farm to move up and take Robert Griffin No. 2 overall in same draft) Derek Carr - 2014 NFL Draft, Round 2, Pick 36 (Note: Taken after QBs Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, and Tedy Bridgewater - all in the first round) and the league's top rated passer last season? You're right, he was a high pick... Matt "Matty Ice" Ryan - 2008 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 3 (Note: He just delivered one of the all-time chokes in Sporting History) And should I bring up UDFA QB Kurt Warner, bagging groceries at one point between College and NFL, took two different franchises to a Superbowl? But, I will mention that SF QB Joe Montana (3X SuperBowl MVP, 4X Champ) was the last pick taken in the third round of the 1979 draft... QBREES9 and Rugby Saint II like this.

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Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback I said elite. only 5 of the top 20 last year were drafted out of the 1st round, and a few were high 2nd rounders like Brees and Carr. Prescott isn't exactly elite, however if it weren't for the DUI he would have likely been a 1st rounder, or high 2nd.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback Originally Posted by Danno I said elite. only 5 of the top 20 last year were drafted out of the 1st round, and a few were high 2nd rounders like Brees and Carr. Prescott isn't exactly elite, however if it weren't for the DUI he would have likely been a 1st rounder, or high 2nd. You're absolutely right, Prescott isn't exactly elite: but his success illustrates that there are many approaches to setting the table for a QB to be successful... For Brees, he was good, not elite, till he joined forces with Sean Payton in New Orleans as a non-retained Free Agent; so in Brees' case, his success was due in large part to the coaching... As the same could be said for Tom Brady; he joined forces with Bill Belichick, the standard in NFL coaching and personnel management today... While I'd agree the odds are much greater for success taking a QB in the first round that has greater physical skills... I think it's the team, the existing personnel, and most of all, the coaching that plays a larger role in that QB's success... New Orleans, with Sean Payton & Co., doesn't need a Top 15 Quarterback to be successful (which is why I was so relieved KC saved Payton from the Mahomes gaffe)... It'd be nice, but not necessary; and until recent draft success by the Saints with Ireland in-house, I was betting the next QB was going to be found in the UDFA pile... Rugby Saint II and \|Mitch\| like this.
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