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jeanpierre 09-04-2017 03:24 PM
Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 

vpheughan 09-04-2017 03:26 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Thank you Mr. Obvious Spock!

|Mitch| 09-04-2017 03:31 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Nope; I think we should quit looking for the next quarterback and hope something miraculous happens... :rolleyes:

Danno 09-04-2017 04:03 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
How many elite QB's in the game today were picked after round 1?

|Mitch| 09-04-2017 04:12 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
...

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 762491)
Simply not true - Look at some of the league's top rated passers last season...

Tom Brady - 2000 NFL Draft Round 6, Pick 199 (Note: He's won a few Superbowls, the last one has him considered the GOAT now)

Dak Prescott - 2016 NFL Draft, Round 4, Pick 135 (Note: Taken after QBs Jared Goff (No.1 pick), Carson Wentz (No. 2 pick), and Paxton Lynch (No. 26 pick) - all in the first round)

Aaron Rodgers - 2005 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 24 (Note: SF took QB Alex Smith with the top pick of the draft)

Drew Brees - 2001 NFL Draft, Round 2, Pick 32 (Note: SD let him depart via FA, opted for Phillip Rivers 2004 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 4)

Kirk Cousins - 2012 NFL Draft, Round 4, Pick 102 (Note: His own team, the Shanahan Redskins, traded the farm to move up and take Robert Griffin No. 2 overall in same draft)

Derek Carr - 2014 NFL Draft, Round 2, Pick 36 (Note: Taken after QBs Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, and Tedy Bridgewater - all in the first round)

and the league's top rated passer last season? You're right, he was a high pick...

Matt "Matty Ice" Ryan - 2008 NFL Draft, Round 1, Pick 3 (Note: He just delivered one of the all-time chokes in Sporting History)

And should I bring up UDFA QB Kurt Warner, bagging groceries at one point between College and NFL, took two different franchises to a Superbowl?

But, I will mention that SF QB Joe Montana (3X SuperBowl MVP, 4X Champ) was the last pick taken in the third round of the 1979 draft...

Danno 09-04-2017 04:19 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
I said elite.

only 5 of the top 20 last year were drafted out of the 1st round, and a few were high 2nd rounders like Brees and Carr.

Prescott isn't exactly elite, however if it weren't for the DUI he would have likely been a 1st rounder, or high 2nd.

jeanpierre 09-04-2017 04:44 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno (Post 762527)
I said elite.

only 5 of the top 20 last year were drafted out of the 1st round, and a few were high 2nd rounders like Brees and Carr.

Prescott isn't exactly elite, however if it weren't for the DUI he would have likely been a 1st rounder, or high 2nd.
You're absolutely right, Prescott isn't exactly elite: but his success illustrates that there are many approaches to setting the table for a QB to be successful...

For Brees, he was good, not elite, till he joined forces with Sean Payton in New Orleans as a non-retained Free Agent; so in Brees' case, his success was due in large part to the coaching...

As the same could be said for Tom Brady; he joined forces with Bill Belichick, the standard in NFL coaching and personnel management today...

While I'd agree the odds are much greater for success taking a QB in the first round that has greater physical skills...

I think it's the team, the existing personnel, and most of all, the coaching that plays a larger role in that QB's success...

New Orleans, with Sean Payton & Co., doesn't need a Top 15 Quarterback to be successful (which is why I was so relieved KC saved Payton from the Mahomes gaffe)...

It'd be nice, but not necessary; and until recent draft success by the Saints with Ireland in-house, I was betting the next QB was going to be found in the UDFA pile...

NOLA54 09-05-2017 12:31 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
I think we still have time to clone Drew.

Rugby Saint II 09-05-2017 01:02 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
:popcorn:

Euphoria 09-05-2017 01:28 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
His name is Hill.

Seer1 09-05-2017 09:53 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 762624)
His name is Hill.
Overda?

The Dude 09-06-2017 08:58 AM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
We don't get some depth on that offensive line and we may be looking for someone immedietly.

rooftoften12 09-06-2017 11:33 AM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Danno (Post 762525)
How many elite QB's in the game today were picked after round 1?
Bighilllol

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RaginCajun83 09-06-2017 01:30 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Not surprised he's gone, thought it was a horrible pick then and still do. I thought Aaron Murray was going to be good and isn't he out the league?

K Major 09-06-2017 02:54 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
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Originally Posted by RaginCajun83 (Post 762706)
Not surprised he's gone, thought it was a horrible pick then and still do. I thought Aaron Murray was going to be good and isn't he out the league?
Currently a broadcaster (UGA games) for CBS sports.

jeanpierre 09-06-2017 03:08 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vpheughan (Post 762513)
Thank you Mr. Obvious Spock!
Know everyone thinks Underhill is stating the obvious, but in his defense, he got an obscene number of tweets complaining about the Saints taking Grayson...

...when the point of the article was that you've got to keep taking shots now and then in your draft for a QB; and Grayson had passed the initial eyeball test...

...in fact, he looked better in his rookie season - can't help but think that maybe some guys get stale on the bench?!?

rooftoften12 09-07-2017 02:35 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
If only we could count on them like chess pieces...

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halloween 65 09-07-2017 03:00 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Petty is still around. I think I read he's the #2 on the Jets roster. I would have taken him over Grayson. I surely would have taken Kelley this season.

Seer1 09-07-2017 06:21 PM
Re: Garrett Grayson pick was a miss, but still logical for the Saints to keep looking for next quarterback
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 762835)
I surely would have taken Kelley this season.
In place of who?


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