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Old 09-12-2017, 06:49 AM   #51
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Yeah. I believe so. Drew Brees too.
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Old 09-12-2017, 06:49 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by spkb25 View Post
First, we're not going to the NFC championship game.

Second, the thread is appropriate because we are on our way to 7-9 for a fourth straight year. Is it possible we turn it all around and fix it, sure. Is it likely, no.

So I am going to bring out this appropriately titled thread week 1 after 3 straight 7-9 seasons and what looked like 7-9 vs.4
Spike, criticisms of Payton's performance are fair, justified...

But this Bullshinski of the season being over after just one game, I would never want you are anyone that thinks like that the moment some adversity arises on my side in things...

If this is still happening in Week 4, mistakes aren't corrected, adjustments aren't made, then that's different...

And if Payton were cut loose now, I guarantee you that the 2017 Season would be done...
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Old 09-12-2017, 07:05 AM   #53
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The running game was not working. The swing passes weren't working. The downfield throws were, however, and THAT is what we simply didn't do enough of, in my opinion.

If we would run actual screen passes (not the same thing as a swing pass, though Payton must not agree with me) where we can catch their defense off guard, like they did to us, maybe we'd take some pressure off of Drew. Those swing passes are always telegraphed, and rarely work as a result. The Vikings offense will rank in the lower half of the league again, because they don't have great personnel and they don't run anything magical. We gave an NFL QB all the time he needed and busted in coverage over and over again. That will make any offense with a pulse look like the Vikings did tonight.
Burningmetal, the running game not working is simply not true...

The Saints were leading the game 6-3 with a run-pass ratio of 16 run plays to 17 (14) pass plays; three of the pass plays were negated by penalty (hence the 17 (14) pass plays), two by the Vikings (T. Johnson - PF/Roughing Passer, E. Griffin - Offsides) and one by Saints (A. Peat - Holding)...

Just because Ingram, Peterson, or Kamara tear off a run of 50 yds doesn't mean the run game wasn't successful...

Agree with you about passing to the running backs; in the first half while in the lead 6-3, Brees' second longest completion was actually to Ingram for 18 yds...

You mentioned telegraphed passes and the Vikings were definitely keyed on Kamara as Brees was 2 for 4 to Kamara for a net -6 yards in the first half - Payton was forcing it to Kamara when he should have used Ingram which would have kept the Vikes defense honest...

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre View Post
If this is still happening in Week 4
We have heard the same song for 4 years now, although it started with Week 8 in 2014. Now we are down to Week 4. So progress in shortening the leash?
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I am sick and tired of hearing how good Drew Brees is and how smart Payton is. It's a bunch of crap and every year they try and suck you in to believing that they have made the right moves. Drew and Payton's time here should be over. We have an owner who has lost the capacity or the mind to make changes and totally clean house. We need a whole new management team from the top down. Peterson should have been used more and Payton's numbskull mind doesn't know how to handle it anymore. I am done with this and I hope they lose every game so we can at least start moving forward.
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Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper View Post
We have heard the same song for 4 years now, although it started with Week 8 in 2014. Now we are down to Week 4. So progress in shortening the leash?
Let's see what happens next week for starters...
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I miss the offseason. That was a simpler time.
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I miss the offseason. That was a simpler time.
That was too funny.
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Old 09-12-2017, 09:02 AM   #59
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Vikings got rid of their entire O line and Bradford had all the time in the world and played his best game ever against Saints. Brees is under pressure most of the game. Improved the defense and now no O line. Streif gone?

We can't play against a good defense, looking like 7-9 again.
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Burningmetal, the running game not working is simply not true...

The Saints were leading the game 6-3 with a run-pass ratio of 16 run plays to 17 (14) pass plays; three of the pass plays were negated by penalty (hence the 17 (14) pass plays), two by the Vikings (T. Johnson - PF/Roughing Passer, E. Griffin - Offsides) and one by Saints (A. Peat - Holding)...

Just because Ingram, Peterson, or Kamara tear off a run of 50 yds doesn't mean the run game wasn't successful...

Agree with you about passing to the running backs; in the first half while in the lead 6-3, Brees' second longest completion was actually to Ingram for 18 yds...

You mentioned telegraphed passes and the Vikings were definitely keyed on Kamara as Brees was 2 for 4 to Kamara for a net -6 yards in the first half - Payton was forcing it to Kamara when he should have used Ingram which would have kept the Vikes defense honest...
You're entitled to your opinion if you believe that a fairly equal ratio of run to pass, equals success, but I disagree with you. The holes simply were not there, with the exception of two, maybe three runs. It's one of the main reasons we kept stalling and settling for field goals.

When we decided to throw the ball down the field, even a little bit, we had some success, which is why it was so maddening to see how gun shy Payton was about calling more aggressive plays. But, for some reason, when we got into the red zone we suddenly abandoned what got us there, and stalled.

When we scored 10 points in the 4th quarter, we were throwing the ball down the field. It sure wasn't the running game that got us going then. Of course, we had to run the play clock down to 10 seconds or less on just about every play when we were supposed to be in hurry up. There was no sense of urgency, at any point, even when we started moving the ball. Their pace seemed to be conceding defeat, whether that was their intention or not.
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