Re: Payton need to go?
 

Vikings got rid of their entire O line and Bradford had all the time in the world and played his best game ever against Saints. Brees is under pressure most of the game. Improved the defense and now no O line. Streif gone?

We can't play against a good defense, looking like 7-9 again.

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You're entitled to your opinion if you believe that a fairly equal ratio of run to pass, equals success, but I disagree with you. The holes simply were not there, with the exception of two, maybe three runs. It's one of the main reasons we kept stalling and settling for field goals.

When we decided to throw the ball down the field, even a little bit, we had some success, which is why it was so maddening to see how gun shy Payton was about calling more aggressive plays. But, for some reason, when we got into the red zone we suddenly abandoned what got us there, and stalled.

When we scored 10 points in the 4th quarter, we were throwing the ball down the field. It sure wasn't the running game that got us going then. Of course, we had to run the play clock down to 10 seconds or less on just about every play when we were supposed to be in hurry up. There was no sense of urgency, at any point, even when we started moving the ball. Their pace seemed to be conceding defeat, whether that was their intention or not.

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I think we are stuck with Sean and I don't think we'd be in any better shape without him.

Problem with this team started years ago and its taking some time to right the ship. We have been sticking a bandaide on the Titanic thinking that is going to fix it.

Instead of drafting Ingram when we did we should have been addressing the O line. Yes its nice to have horses but when you can't block for them they will look like crap.

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I agree. I'm going to hold out hope that the offense struggled because they didn't get many reps in the preseason. That's what I'm telling myself at least. Unfortunately the Oline did play and they weren't one iota better than preseason.

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I didn't get this one (Harris over Crawley) either. Sterling Moore should have seen the field a lot more than Devante'. He was exposed consistently in pre season .. we are playing zone inside the red zone. WTF? I'm no longer buying what Dennis Allen is selling.

And to think Jim Schwartz was available when they inked DA as DC.

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Moore was active. They just didn't use him. Vonn Bell either.

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Yes. Still scratching my head with that move.

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No one is discussing a mid-season letting go of SP. That would be silly. The issue with having optimism comes from the fact that this season and this game do not sit an isolation. There is a recent trend that provides enough supporting data to infer that it is likely not going to be a good season.

That said, I will be here each week through all 16 games just like I have since '04. Not meaning '04 with the Saints, meaning with this board. I hope this means nothing. I hope we come out and play like gang busters. I am just giving my honest opinion on what I believe will happen based off of the information I have.

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Oline and dline is where we should have been investing, we got whooped at both last night, no wonder we lost

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I don't believe in this team, coaches or GM. How many loosing seasons will it take before big changes happen?