Payton need to go?
 

Feels like I am in the clockwork orange being forced to watch

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Yes.

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No...ask me again at 7-9 or worse.

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Depends on this season.... Feels like Groundhog Day though.

Anything less than 9-7 should lead to his resignation. He is approaching Jeff fisher territory.

On another note, if we suck I'd like to see Brees move on to a team that can win him another ring, he deserves it.

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That's a tough one, up here in Wash state, people are calling for Pete's head from the squawks. They love the defense, hate the offense, we historically are pretty happy with the offense but hate the defense. I think we all get used to the good things, I guess we could be Cleveland or the jags...Not sure I'd call for his head yet, I'm gonna give him 5-6 games see the stink leaves my mouth....but philosophically something needs to change.

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Thought about this for a minute....that's a damn good analogy.

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-No pass rush. Kikaha is a one trick pony. Didn't see Muhammad take a snap.
-Young secondary exposed. Vaccaro is not good in coverage. Harris needs to be cut.
-Peterson needs to be traded to the Cards. Payton is not going to use him. Forced the ball to Kamara early. Ingram is the best back hands down.
-Peat needs to kick out if Strief is out. Kelemente is not a tackle.
-Fleener made some good catches.
-Lutz is money.
-Anzalone is a keeper.
-Looking hard at 0-2.

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I have an uncomfortable feeling that you will be asked just that.

Enough is enough.

If the defense had been stout?

I might have some faith.

They were not stout.

After tonight, I will keep my mouth shut and let the season play out.

Tonight though?

I feel Sean Payton believes (mistakenly):

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oh lord here we go again.

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Even without those grahzny sodding veshches that come out of will81's gulliver and his plott?

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A couple of years overdue for me. I appreciate all Payton has done for us and that championship we won with him will be something we will never forget and be grateful for. But we've been mediocre for a while now and our ability to develop players, especially on defense, has been underwhelming. I've echoed this the past few season so trust me... it's not an overreaction to a loss. It's sad to say but I haven't been excited about Saints football in quite a while.

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If he goes I hope he takes Allen with him.

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Not sure I'm there yet. But our offense is slowly starting to become toothless like our defense and that's not a good thing when your head coach's specialty is offense.

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So Sneed gets 3 games and Elliott beats his girlfriend and he's playing. Doesn't seem right.

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I never thought I'd say this...but yeah, this team needs new coaching. This isn't working.

AJ Klein is very good. Brees is wasted here.

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Defense started out well, but sometimes you just cannot stop players who are coached to catch in traffic. That's our problem, we are facing teams who want to score points as much as us. When teams play us they want to score quick because of Brees. And lately it's like the defense is supposed to do it first.

Most likely the offense will show up against the pats but they always will in those kinds of games and against the easier defenses. They just cannot beat hard nosed defenses.

Defense was so bad after the 2014 offseason it is gonna take a while to fix it and if it's gonna take a while and the saints can't see the issues on offense in these instances it's gonna take Brees a while.

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Because Elliot put up a fight against Goodell. Elliot is backed by the NFLPA and he filed an injunction. Snead just ain't that slick.

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Too many weaknesses on o line. Drew was ineffective against a top 5 defense. I’m unsettled by the CB play from PJ and Harris. Other than that we could have won.

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My God. That was a... good post Will! Spot on my man!

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Rumor has it that SP told Pete Carmichael when they get back to NO first stop is Home Depot to look for an O Lineman.

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He just seems too fat and happy.

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Anyone still wanting to trade Armstead? I don't.

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Can't we utilize the roster spot that Adrian Peterson occupies for some more depth at Cornerback??

All due respect to AP, but paying him a salary and using a roster spot for him just so he can be a "decoy" rarely used in the offense seems like a waste of a roster spot.

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I've felt the same way for a couple of years. As much as it stinks to say it, I find myself only starting to feel a little excitement (more like anticipation) when it's game day. It used to be that I couldn't wait, all week long.

I'm not in any danger of giving up on the Saints. I'll always be a fan. But this has gotten extremely predictable. This was the first time in at least three years that I felt optimistic about the defense, but I still needed to see it play out to know for sure. After tonight I am both disappointed and confused. I'm confused as to why we didn't blitz that leaky offensive line (I know the announcers were kissing their butts, but what honestly did they have to block, all night?). I'm confused as to why Devante Harris figured so prominently into our game plan, when there were more proven players available.

On offense it was typical predictable play calling, based on which running back was in the game. I know a lot of us have been saying that for years. When we made an effort to get the ball downfield, it sure seemed like the opportunities were there more often than not. What did we have to lose by opening it up, when nothing else was working? It was like watching Les Miles call a game. There's too much talent there to be so conservative. Frustrating.

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Agree with every point... It's like we looked at all the good things in the preseason and just said "nah, going to try to do everything differently".

Harris starting on the edge wtf...
Not blitzing almost all game wtf...
Playing mostly zone coverage wtf...

Literally did the exact opposite of what we saw in the preseason. At least the offense looked the same in the preseason.

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I couldn't agree with you more. Brees had defenders in his face. Offense bringing their Field Goal game to a Touchdown fight .... we've seen this before.

But our defensive backfield is like totally dependent on "When is Delvin Breaux coming back".... REALLY??

We have no depth at corners and we have picked poorly in drafts. The End.

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As I said in the game thread, the game has passed Sean by. We haven't adapted to the 2010+ NFL, and it's already 2017.

Signing AP just to have him watch the game from the bench is like taking the prettiest girl at school to McDonald's on prom night. And if I am wondering in the 3rd quarter what Brees could do in an offense like the Vikings run ... yes, there's a problem.

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You're absolutely right blackandgold. Can't disagree.

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On the plus side, Lattimore and Anzalone looked great! Ramczyk looked good too for a rookie LT making his first start.

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Agree. Klein and Fleener were also bright spots.

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I was impressed with Fleener tonight. Klein had to be all over the place, really no choice or the Vikes would have really racked up the yards. Oketre had a good game also.

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Disagree on Okafor, he lost edge control on every long run and provided little pressure. Cook had 3 big runs on the edge, all occurred off his edge.

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First, we're not going to the NFC championship game.

Second, the thread is appropriate because we are on our way to 7-9 for a fourth straight year. Is it possible we turn it all around and fix it, sure. Is it likely, no.

So I am going to bring out this appropriately titled thread week 1 after 3 straight 7-9 seasons and what looked like 7-9 vs.4

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Im sorry but..who in the hell are you?? Where is the real WillSaints81..because no way he would have ever made a post like this. Nice post and good point.

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He's actually been right about quite a few things even when he's treated like a red headed step child.

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Well maybe I will pay more attention to his threads if this is the kind of stuff he is gonna bring to the table. Been avoiding his topics because they were usually things from way left field.

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Watching the game now....and as Im watching it notification comes to my phone showing dalvin cook broke AP's rookie record...Lls isn't that ironic. The saints look like a continuation from last season so far if you ask me. And only because ITS THE VIKINGS their offensive power is not impressive to day the least. Im dissapointed in HOW we lost more so than the actual losing.

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Its like watching the same over and over again...I need a break there are WAAYY better movies out here. Im speaking for me when I say this Saints games dont excite me anymore.

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The running game was not working. The swing passes weren't working. The downfield throws were, however, and THAT is what we simply didn't do enough of, in my opinion.

If we would run actual screen passes (not the same thing as a swing pass, though Payton must not agree with me) where we can catch their defense off guard, like they did to us, maybe we'd take some pressure off of Drew. Those swing passes are always telegraphed, and rarely work as a result. The Vikings offense will rank in the lower half of the league again, because they don't have great personnel and they don't run anything magical. We gave an NFL QB all the time he needed and busted in coverage over and over again. That will make any offense with a pulse look like the Vikings did tonight.