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neugey 09-13-2017 06:23 PM

The schellacking will be televised
 
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I hope the Saints show up, but the better chance of winning is the Pats not showing up.

Danno 09-13-2017 06:26 PM

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We're gonna shock the world!!!

Yeah...no

dizzle88 09-13-2017 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 763959)
We're gonna shock the world!!!

Yeah...no

Correct me if I'm wrong Danno, but it sounds as though you - along with the rest of us, has lost a bit of faith in this team after seeing the continous problems they refuse to fix?

Danno 09-13-2017 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 763960)
Correct me if I'm wrong Danno, but it sounds as though you - along with the rest of us, has lost a bit of faith in this team after seeing the continous problems they refuse to fix?

Well I don't think its anywhere close to "refuse to fix".

What have they "refused" to do?

dizzle88 09-13-2017 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 763963)
Well I don't think its anywhere close to "refuse to fix".

What have they "refused" to do?

Okay, allow me to rephrase...

Showing their ineptitude at trying to fix the defense.

Danno 09-13-2017 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 763965)
Okay, allow me to rephrase...

Showing their ineptitude at trying to fix the defense.

Thats better.

But keep in mind its only 1 game. But yes, it looks like a lot of new players, New assistants, yet the same old results over the last several years.

The only common denominator is???

Lets recap.

Changed DC, LB coach, DB coach, DL coach, OL coach, RB coach, TE coach
Upgraded our scouting department
Upgraded talent at LB, DL, DE, CB, S, OL, WR, RB, FB...

I just can't put my finger on what moves we haven't tried...

saintfan 09-13-2017 07:02 PM

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I get Oakland and the JETS. Meh...

Danno 09-13-2017 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 763967)
I get Oakland and the JETS. Meh...

I kinda like Oakland with Carr.

dizzle88 09-13-2017 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 763966)
Thats better.

But keep in mind its only 1 game. But yes, it looks like a lot of new faces with the same old results over the last several years.

The only common denominator is???

Lets recap.

Changed DC, LB coach, DB coach, DL coach, OL coach, RB coach, TE coach
Upgraded our scouting department
Upgraded talent at LB, DL, DE, CB, S, OL, WR, RB, FB...

I just can't put my finger on what moves we haven't tried...

Even though it's one game, I found myself more frustrated about that loss than I have been from any loss in recent memory.

Payton fired Rob because the D he wanted, Rob couldn't deliver.
So Payton hired his buddy DA, guess what, that D still doesn't seem to be working.

Maybe Payton just can't coach defensively and he should stay clear of that side of the ball.

I personally think Carmichael should be calling plays on offense also.

Danno 09-13-2017 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 763969)
Payton fired Rob because the D he wanted, Rob couldn't deliver.
So Payton hired his buddy DA, guess what, that D still doesn't seem to be working.

Maybe Payton just can't coach defensively and he should stay clear of that side of the ball.

I personally think Carmichael should be calling plays on offense also.

To be fair, Rob's defenses sucked for 3 straight years.

DA wasn't his buddy, he was a solid up and comer Payton was familiar with.

Dennis Allen will be a successful HC in a few years. He's still very very young.

Agree PC should be calling plays.

Which brings me back to the point I was making...

Whats the common denominator?

Hint, he spells his name differently that Peyton Manning.

dizzle88 09-13-2017 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 763970)
To be fair, Rob's defenses sucked for 3 straight years.

DA wasn't his buddy, he was a solid up and comer Payton was familiar with.

Dennis Allen will be a successful HC in a few years. He's still very very young.

Agree PC should be calling plays.

Which brings me back to the point I was making...

Whats the common denominator?

Hint, he spells his name differently that Peyton Manning.

I'll answer that question with his favourite quote...

Credit "insert team name"
We didn't execute
We'll check the tape and get it sorted
Any questions?

Danno 09-13-2017 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 763971)
I'll answer that question with his favourite quote...

Credit "insert team name"
We didn't execute
We'll check the tape and get it sorted
Any questions?

"We need to get that cleaned up" :p

halloween 65 09-13-2017 07:49 PM

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If Payton really wanted to win he would have hired Shwarts and Allen would have been an afterthought. He wanted a puppet and got one. I haven't been impressed with this new D-line coach either.

saintsfan1976 09-13-2017 08:11 PM

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MatthewT 09-13-2017 08:30 PM

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Maybe it's time the Saints stop screwing around worrying about defense. Stop drafting defensive players, and go all offense. Become that team again who can outscore anyone, anytime, no matter what. Fill the defense with some cheap free agents, and undrafted rookies, and hope for the best. At least the Saints would win 10-11 games and have a shot at another championship.

neugey 09-13-2017 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 763978)
Maybe it's time the Saints stop screwing around worrying about defense. Stop drafting defensive players, and go all offense. Become that team again who can outscore anyone, anytime, no matter what. Fill the defense with some cheap free agents, and undrafted rookies, and hope for the best. At least the Saints would win 10-11 games and have a shot at another championship.

I suppose we could make every kick an onside kick. It would give Morestead something to do if we won't punt anymore.

Tobias-Reiper 09-13-2017 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 763967)
I get Oakland and the JETS. Meh...


That's a great song.

The Dude 09-13-2017 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 763972)
"We need to get that cleaned up" :p

He's got a knee.
Different but still a quote I hate.

Rell&Gold 09-13-2017 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 763965)
Okay, allow me to rephrase...

Showing their ineptitude at trying to fix the defense.

Athleticism

Rell&Gold 09-13-2017 10:42 PM

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Athleticism is missing from the defense where is that "ED REED ESQUE" FS even he was out there we would probably draft another RB.

QBREES9 09-13-2017 11:04 PM

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Hey we're not the JETS. Yes we have are problems. But we're not the JETS. Just End The Season.

foreverfan 09-13-2017 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 763978)
Maybe it's time the Saints stop screwing around worrying about defense. Stop drafting defensive players, and go all offense. Become that team again who can outscore anyone, anytime, no matter what. Fill the defense with some cheap free agents, and undrafted rookies, and hope for the best. At least the Saints would win 10-11 games and have a shot at another championship.

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 763979)
I suppose we could make every kick an onside kick. It would give Morestead something to do if we won't punt anymore.

Yea... only sign FAs on defense and draft only offense players. Sounds great... How long do you think that will work?

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QBREES9 09-13-2017 11:11 PM

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My wife is a Pats fan, we can't let this happen

Beastmode 09-13-2017 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Danno (Post 763959)
We're gonna shock the world!!!

Yeah...no

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QBREES9 09-13-2017 11:25 PM

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Yes. Yes we are!!!!

spkb25 09-14-2017 04:30 AM

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Wasn't Jack Del Rio available as a Dcoord prior to getting his second head coaching gig? We could have hired Wade as well, which is who I wanted us to hire.

dizzle88 09-14-2017 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 764011)
Wasn't Jack Del Rio available as a Dcoord prior to getting his second head coaching gig? We could have hired Wade as well, which is who I wanted us to hire.

Jim Schwartz, Del Rio, Wade Phillips were all available, Payton chose his buddy instead.

MatthewT 09-14-2017 05:44 AM

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I don't think it matters who the defense coordinator is. The common denominator appears to be Sean Payton's philosophy, whatever that may be. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for Payton to sit back and play the role of motivator/cheerleader, and let Pete Carmichael have 100 percent control of the offense, and Dennis Allen 100 percent control of the defense, and let's see what happens. Obviously something is not right and hasn't been for years.

dizzle88 09-14-2017 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 764016)
I don't think it matters who the defense coordinator is. The common denominator appears to be Sean Payton's philosophy, whatever that may be. Maybe it wouldn't be a bad idea for Payton to sit back and play the role of motivator/cheerleader, and let Pete Carmichael have 100 percent control of the offense, and Dennis Allen 100 percent control of the defense, and let's see what happens. Obviously something is not right and hasn't been for years.

As much as I agree with you, Payton is far too big headed and full of himself to take a back seat when it's obvious he's the problem.

We all know Pete Carmichael is a better OC than Payton and it now seems Payton gets too involved with defense, which is nowhere near his strong suit.

jeanpierre 09-14-2017 06:00 AM

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Well, when you waste six plus years see-sawing back and forth over what kind of scheme you want to run, drafting personnel for a 4-3 and then for a 3-4 only to go back to a 4-3, you can expect these kind of results...

Firmly believe Payton the Coach would be fine with a strong GM who actually built the team, both personnel and defensive coaches, and who could veto Payton on personnel moves...

Payton gets in trouble when he has too much control with no checks and balances (see Jeff Fisher, Chip Kelly, Chuck Pagano); the only guy that's been able to do it is Bill Belichick, but in the Pat's HC's rare candid interviews, Belichick talks about actually listening, trusting his people...

Agree with the criticism that D.A. is basically a yes man (he's been a HC and he's not HC material) and that's why Payton hasn't seen this defense continue to improve as communication seems to be a problem with D.A. and that's why he has such a strong support staff in place (i.e. Nolan, Nielsen, Glenn)...

The one guy who challenged Payton during his tenure, Williams, well you could tell it was still personal when Payton chose to show the entire playbook against the Rams last season - this was the worst side of Payton I've seen besides the public bullying of Ryan on the sidelines...

With Payton having absolute organizational power and a 92yo, virtually cuckolded, team owner in Benson who's just happy to be alive at this point with his one Superbowl ring, Payton has to show rare self-discipline and continue this path he's started of actually listening and trusting good people he's brought in (i.e. Ireland, Nolan)...

If not, he will find himself in the same trajectory as Jim Mora after he lost Jim Finks - ruining the good will and legacy he's built with the fans...

FinSaint 09-14-2017 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 764018)
We all know Pete Carmichael is a better OC than Payton and it now seems Payton gets too involved with defense, which is nowhere near his strong suit.


Granted I'm not any kind of an authority in the subject, but I don't agree.

I was not impressed when he took over for SP.

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dizzle88 09-14-2017 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 764020)
Well, when you waste six plus years see-sawing back and forth over what kind of scheme you want to run, drafting personnel for a 4-3 and then for a 3-4 only to go back to a 4-3, you can expect these kind of results...

Firmly believe Payton the Coach would be fine with a strong GM who actually built the team, both personnel and defensive coaches, and who could veto Payton on personnel moves...

Payton gets in trouble when he has too much control with no checks and balances (see Jeff Fisher, Chip Kelly, Chuck Pagano); the only guy that's been able to do it is Bill Belichick, but in the Pat's HC's rare candid interviews, Belichick talks about actually listening, trusting his people...

Agree with the criticism that D.A. is basically a yes man (he's been a HC and he's not HC material) and that's why Payton hasn't seen this defense continue to improve as communication seems to be a problem with D.A. and that's why he has such a strong support staff in place (i.e. Nolan, Nielsen, Glenn)...

The one guy who challenged Payton during his tenure, Williams, well you could tell it was still personal when Payton chose to show the entire playbook against the Rams last season - this was the worst side of Payton I've seen besides the public bullying of Ryan on the sidelines...

With Payton having absolute organizational power and a 92yo, virtually cuckolded, team owner in Benson who's just happy to be alive at this point with his one Superbowl ring, Payton has to show rare self-discipline and continue this path he's started of actually listening and trusting good people he's brought in (i.e. Ireland, Nolan) or he will find himself in the same position as Jim Mora after he lost Jim Finks - ruining the good will he's built with the fans...

That's what worries me, Benson will not do anything about it at this point so how much longer do we have to suffer with bad/mediocre teams being fielded, when we are wasting valuable years of arguably the most dominant QB in NFL history.

SmashMouth 09-14-2017 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 764024)
That's what worries me, Benson will not do anything about it at this point so how much longer do we have to suffer with bad/mediocre teams being fielded, when we are wasting valuable years of arguably the most dominant QB in NFL history.

... similar to Dan Fouts back in the day.

CheramieIII 09-14-2017 06:35 AM

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35-17 Saints I'm sticking with it

neugey 09-14-2017 08:12 AM

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There are similarities between Payton and Phil Jackson with the Knicks as GM ... highest/overpaid at what he does, genius label, championship coach, beholden by ownership, adamantly sticking to same offense which doesn't fit current personnel and doing a lousy job. And now with AP, you can add alienating star players to the list.

SaintGup 09-14-2017 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 763994)
My wife is a Pats fan, we can't let this happen

Ruh-roh! Prepare for tears my friend.

jeanpierre 09-14-2017 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 764024)
That's what worries me, Benson will not do anything about it at this point so how much longer do we have to suffer with bad/mediocre teams being fielded, when we are wasting valuable years of arguably the most dominant QB in NFL history.

One of two possible answers lies in your question, Dizz...

Either Payton continues to stay on this course he started on his own - sharing, trusting responsibilities to the people in the war room, or...

It's a Don Shula Dynasty that lasts as long as Benson; we'll see good players like Marino come and go, limited by a benevolent dictator who refuses to change...

I've been to the rodeo with regards to the last part in fraternal bodies, non-profits and in businesses - it never ends pretty, with lots of bodies along the way...

We're just not a country meant for Machiavellian princes nor benevolent dictators - our businesses, athletic clubs, fraternities, nor government can not tolerate them and survive...

Rugby Saint II 09-14-2017 01:54 PM

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The problem is that Loomis is a bean counter and not an experienced football GM. Payton has too much control and knows nothing about defense. A real GM wouldn't let us flounder from 3-4 to 4-3 and back for years and years.

I believe Ireland should be the GM and Loomis should be the magical accountant that makes things happen. Pull some power away from Payton and let the front office run things like a real football organization does.

gulfgambler 09-14-2017 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CheramieIII (Post 764026)
35-17 Saints I'm sticking with it

When did they legalize POT in Georgia?

CharityMike 09-14-2017 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by QBREES9 (Post 763994)
My wife is a Pats fan, we can't let this happen

I feel your pain QB..my wife is as well..sigh. She loves her some Gronk. And to make matters worse, I have to pull for Gronk cause he is on my FF team.


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