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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Have to stick with a D plan for years. Never going to work in this format. Yes the D sucks but stick with this plan for a few years. It will get better. Rip it up and we are right ...

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Old 09-22-2017, 04:39 PM   #11
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Have to stick with a D plan for years. Never going to work in this format. Yes the D sucks but stick with this plan for a few years. It will get better. Rip it up and we are right back where we started. This recent shred though was needed. A good reset. Stick with it. It's going to improve. I bet this week we start seeing some improvement. Probably still lose but I think it will be better as we go.
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:41 PM   #12
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Have to stick with a D plan for years. Never going to work in this format. Yes the D sucks but stick with this plan for a few years. It will get better. Rip it up and we are right back where we started. This recent shred though was needed. A good reset. Stick with it. It's going to improve. I bet this week we start seeing some improvement. Probably still lose but I think it will be better as we go.
I don't envision it getting better this week with our best CB out, we have to rely on PJ, Harris and crawley all game. Good lord...
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:53 PM   #13
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We still haven't found that player on the D that takes what I call
the Field General role. Like Vilma who was able to audible and shift
players on the run.
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Old 09-22-2017, 05:31 PM   #14
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I don't envision it getting better this week with our best CB out, we have to rely on PJ, Harris and crawley all game. Good lord...
Ya never know. I remember that little CB we had Thomas that schooled Randy Moss. Dude was like 5'8" I believe. He held his own when nobody gave him a chance. It can be done. These guys are pros. Might need a little luck but it can be done but they have to start gelling. I'm seeing free lancing out there and little to no discipline. They don't trust each other.
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Old 09-22-2017, 05:39 PM   #15
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Re: What has led to the defensive downfall?

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We still haven't found that player on the D that takes what I call
the Field General role. Like Vilma who was able to audible and shift
players on the run.
Klein could be that guy for us, but Payton and Dennis Allen are light years behind Ron Rivera and his staff.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:09 PM   #16
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I think that is because Allens system has no proof that it has ever worked, whereas Rob Ryans D worked phenomenally until Payton got a boner over Seattle.
No, Ryan's system wasn't fully implemented until his second year. The first year he used a very vanilla version of the read and react, just like he did in his successful first year in Dallas. When he fully implemented in both locations the players looked lost.
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Exactly, yet several people around here are calling for yet another change.

The only defensive change that I want is a competitive defense again. One that we haven't had in a while. I really don't care who the DL coach, DB coach, LB coach or what sonofa*****ing DC we have. They could keep the coaches we have or go out and hire a McDonald's employee for all I give a hell. Put a hat and a headset on a damn watermelon and sit it on the sidelines and let it call plays for all I give a ****. I just want a defense that isn't giving up 500 yards a game!
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Old 09-22-2017, 07:29 PM   #18
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The only defensive change that I want is a competitive defense again. One that we haven't had in a while. I really don't care who the DL coach, DB coach, LB coach or what sonofa*****ing DC we have. They could keep the coaches we have or go out and hire a McDonald's employee for all I give a hell. Put a hat and a headset on a damn watermelon and sit it on the sidelines and let it call plays for all I give a ****. I just want a defense that isn't giving up 500 yards a game!
Be patient. Things will get better.
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Old 09-23-2017, 06:51 AM   #19
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I think that is because Allens system has no proof that it has ever worked, whereas Rob Ryans D worked phenomenally until Payton got a boner over Seattle.
Spags is a great 43 coach and the saints should have kept him, let him do his thing before getting cute and bringing in ..... gulp .... Rob Ryan

The pats laid the out the blue print to beat Robs defense year one and from that game on teams used it and won. Rob had no answers because he was not good at change on or off the feild. So the defense was beatable long before Seattle.

Robs ego is his own worse enemy. He can not win the big game no matter how good the offense is. He leaves teams in complete rebuilding mode on Defense. That has always been Robs MO. Rob Suxed in Dallas. Rob Suxed in New Orleans. Rob Suxed in Buffalo. Rob is media hype riding on the coat tails of his dad and his brother to millions of dollars. Rob should have never been given another shot at being a DC. God help the next team that makes this mistake again. Leave him as an assistant were he belongs. Under a DC thumb

Never liked Rob and never bought into him as the answer. Always knew it was a down hill slide before he signed that contract.

Ok I feel better now that my Rob rant is done

Rebuilding is were we are today. Back to a 43 defense Spags was running and trying to erase Rob completely. DA is in year two of cleaning up Robs mess. Same place Dallas was when Rob left and Buffalo is thanking God Rob was not around long enough to cause that much damage. Shame all that 43 talent is no longer around.

Now as far as SP goes and I know people disagree with me here, in the draft system the DC has a grand plan and an idea of what players best fit that dream. The DC will pound the table for those players. SP has to buy into it and go with the pick. The GM has the final veto power. So they do not get away with blame

But I put pick blame squarely on the DC. It is the DC I tar and feather and chase out of town on a rail

Then there is the long list of talent we let go with while Rob was DC. The last of the long list of bone head moves while Rob was at the helm of the defense was Akiem Hicks. Boy we could use him today

I am not thrilled with some picks already by DA. But they have their rookie contract to get it done. I do like the veteran FA signing he has done so far.

So give DA at least the length of a rookie contract to correct this mess.

"We may have lost the game, but you'll be hurting tomorrow." Doug Atkins

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Re: What has led to the defensive downfall?

Still a lot of excuses.
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