Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

I\'m not saying you cant boo or anything like that, im saying why do you boo before a game even starts? (you think that pumps your QB up or something). I just dont see how you all think that AB is so bad. And the same one\'s that boo AB would prob be cheering JD even when he throws 15+ ints a year. ( i know everyone will be saying \"no i would\'nt\")

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

actually I wouldn\'t-most of the people that would do that have something personally against AB-I really would like brooks to turn that corner- i think he has marvelous athletic ability..I just think he needs to be held accountable for his decision making so he can learn and grow into a decent quarterback. I just don\'t think he\'s going to do that...nor do I think Jake is the answer...I think we will always have subpar performances out of our players untill they start being held accountable.

I think though the flip side is that most that root for brooks do so not because they think he is better than jake or peyton or anyone else, but for reasons that are all their own...and no amount of logic will pull them out of that fog.

[Edited on 8/4/2005 by baronm]

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

I think that this is a good summary of how I also feel and maybe I am biased because of that but feel it is a very accurate portrayal of the situation

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

Thanks B, but i think he\'s capable of being a pro bowl QB. (and about due too). He\'s very durable and his td to int ratio is killer. Hey, i\'m not saying he dont make some bad decisions but not any worse then any other QB in the nfl. And i think he\'s one of the most underrated QB\'s in the nfl. (and again i know thats because we dont win, but that\'s not all AB\'s fault is it)

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

Let me just say that he has the potential of being a pro bowler -- before he becomes one though he is going to have to show a certain amount of consistency. His talent level is there but I question his heart. And I don\'t think AB is an underrated QB. From his current level of consistency he is right where he should be -- most don\'t rate QBs on their potential but on their performance.

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

i like this debate about supporting a team. it makes me think some people have never been around rabid fans. fans that eat, breathe, and live what their teams do. smiling and cheering rah-rah no matter what a team does is shallow. whodi mentioned rivera. i have been to yankee stadium and love it. you\'ll be run out of the right field bleachers if you are willing to chant to your beisbol deities. likewise, if a player screws up and cost a game, not make an usual sort of mistake, he will be howled at. there is intense passion to above all else win. that extends beyond derek jeter and rivera too.

passionate fans do not accept mediocrity, take front office bs lines, or accept leaps of faith beyond reason. my short term personal approach to the saints has changed the last few years. potential, potential, potential... yes! but the results have not registered yet. worse, i do not see the potential and trend going the right way. i do not care about wins/losses short term if the product on the field is right, solid, and improving. build it and they will come. i\'d love to see them go 12-4 and make a superbowl run and have to adjust my thinking. 4-12 would not bother me either cuz i would expect some significant housecleaning then, a fresh start. another 8-8 or 9-7 and just eek into the playoffs would be the worst thing for this team imo. another year of more of the same and enough to keep it continuing into the future again. i can laugh at the aints. i can go nuts for a contender. i cannot accept mediocrity, you can have it.

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

I think that is what many of us think and feel.

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

He is a little inconsistant and thats my only knock on him. Every thing else is killer so i dont see how anybody thinks im saying cheer for subpar players. Like i said before he\'s very durable, td to int is killer, 3500+yds every year, his arm is killer, throws laser passes all over the field + killer deep balls. If you give him some time he will pick most any Defense apart. So again i dont see AB as a subpar QB, I see him as elite QB getting ready to explode.

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

Not probably -- they already are.

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

Nit-Picking? Hardly. Mincing words? Which word(s) am I mincing? I\'m pointing out that you readily give Jake, Carolina, or any other team the benefit of the doubt...consistantly, but when it comes to Brooks and the Saints (other than Horn and Deuce) you categorically NEVER do. Hey Whodat, the Saints NEARLY made the playoffs last year, and they had to win their last 4 games to do it...does that count? LMAO

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

the explosion usually happens before 71 games started nate. you\'ll find others here that enjoy debating about him more than i. i do think one thing you said is very true. is arm IS killer and the laser passes do go ALL OVER the field, especially at critical moments. i\'m trying to think of the biggest slowest slug qb in the league... let\'s say vinny t. give him some time and he will pick most any defense apart too. that is what being a nfl qb is about. it is when you do not have time and it is gut check time that makes the diff. and a little inconsistent?!? phew, i need someone else to step in on that one. i\'m not a basher nate, i hope for the best as long as he is here. hope is a desire of something you haven\'t yet attained no matter how unreasonable. i do not have faith that he will lead the team to a level of excellence. faith is a conviction that a desire will come based on confidence.

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

I for one think he has killer potential (I am not going to argue about your a little inconsistent at times statement - let me just say I disagree with your choice of the adjective little -- I am a little more jaded than you because the last 2 years I have been hearing this is his year to explode -- I am hoping it is this year but will respectfully wait and see -- finally -- no one (at least not I) am saying you are rooting for a sub par player -- nor would I argue with you if you did -- I believe the argument is that some posters will not admit that AB doesn\'t walk on water -- turn water into wine etc. I think someone posted the best response -- most on this forum really hope AB turns into the kind of QB he has the potential to be --

Aaron Brooks vs. Jake Delhomme
 

Of course it counts. When have I said it doesn\'t?

The post that I made from which you are nit-pciking put forth a theory that many teams perform much like their QBs. I used the Colts and Bucs...



I also used the Saints. I said that Carolina seems to play with grit and heart. They aren\'t the most talented, but they\'re scrappy and all play their role. Do you disagree with that statement?

The Saints are more talented and less consistent. They squander talent and opportunities and shoot themselves in the foot with boneheaded play after boneheaded play. Do you disagree with that?

I\'ve also said that each team is a reflection of it\'s QB? Do you disagree that Jake is the scrappy fiery underdog and that Brooks is the more talented less consistent player?

See - you cannot realistically argue those statements, so you focus on a single sentence, apply it to a different context, and suggest I\'m biased.

You think I give other teams credit? Other teams that make the playoffs and Super Bowl? Yeah, well, maybe that\'s b/c I think certain people do more than enough to make excuses for the Saints. Just check my sig. and tell me it\'s not so.