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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; People love to complicate things. First off ... When someone tells me Brooks\' turnovers is what has kept this team from the playoffs, then I have to take that into consideration. But, I have to compare those turnovers to SOMETHING. ...

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Old 04-09-2005, 10:28 AM   #31
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People love to complicate things.

First off ... When someone tells me Brooks\' turnovers is what has kept this team from the playoffs, then I have to take that into consideration.

But, I have to compare those turnovers to SOMETHING. It has got to be put into some kind of \"context\".

If Delhomme can turn the ball over MORE than Brooks and the Panthers can go to the superbowl, then I have to really question whether or not Brooks\' turnovers have been the problem.

The difference between Jake and Aaron\'s turnovers is Jake had a defense that could minimize the damage and Aaron had a defense that couldn\'t stop anyone.

Simple, huh? Yup ... but we got folks that want to bend and stretch the truth. Or flat out make false statements.

Now, some of you guys can complicate things and make Brooks out to be the \"failure\" of this team. Do what you want. It makes no difference to me.


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Old 04-09-2005, 10:30 AM   #32
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I\'d venture to say that most pessimists just feel they\'re being realists.
Some people just focus on whats wrong. (Pessimists)
Some people just focus on whats right. (Optimists)
I think both sides think they\'re realists and feel the other side are idiots.
You\'re probably right, but then how could you feel you\'re realistic when you\'ve consistently predicted that the Saints would be 11-5, 12-4, or 13-3, would go to the playoffs, would have a top 10 defense, and would have a top 5 offense behind a pro bowl QB????

Zero right, but \"some fans\" still know what\'s really going on around here. LMAO.
I\'ve never predicted any of those things. Much less consistently predicted them. Are you referring to someone else by chance?

Line up 20 losers and I\'ll bet you all 20 are Pessimists.
Line up 20 winners and I\'ll bet you all 20 are Optimists.
But I\'ll bet you all 20 pessismists will claim they\'re simply realists!

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Old 04-09-2005, 10:48 AM   #33
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Wasn\'t referring to you Danno....

I don\'t know that your guess is accurate. I was successful at every level in which I participated in athletics - including winning multiple State Championships in HS and placing respectably at the Division I level. By all accounts, I was classified as a \"winner\" in my athletic career. I\'m labeled a pessimist around here b/c I continue to think the Saints will be 8-8 with this staff until they prove me wrong. But I guess by your account I\'m a \"loser\"... Ask Billy what he won, and see if it holds true.

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I\'m labeled a pessimist around here b/c I continue to think the Saints will be 8-8 with this staff until they prove me wrong.
Predicting 8-8 doesn\'t make you a pessimist.
I\'m referring to those that harp on everything negative and refuse to acknowledge anything positive.

Such as, Saints sign player X.

The pessimist will compile a list of negatives associated with this player, and completely ignore the positives, and claim he\'s just being realistic. They usually live in a van down by the river.

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I\'m referring to those that harp on everything negative and refuse to acknowledge anything positive.

Such as, Saints sign player X.

The pessimist will compile a list of negatives associated with this player, and completely ignore the positives, and claim he\'s just being realistic. They usually live in a van down by the river.
So I guess that means those who questioned the Orlando Ruff, Derrick Rodgers, Tesucky Jones, Jonathon Sullivan acquisitions are pessimists, even thought they were right. Okay. I have yet to hear anyone poo-poo getting Dwight Smith, so how does your theory hold? Could it be cause Dwight Smith is widely considered a good player and could actually help? Oh my. What about Mayberry? I have heard noone have a problem with it if he was going to play guard. But if someone questions the fact he may be playing RT after only doing it for 4 games in his career they are a pessimist? OR someone sees he has been injured the past two years, that should be ignored? NFL teams don\'t ignore it. It\'s called a scouting report. I guess the person who thinks every player the Saints sign is gonna be a hall of famer is the actual realist. Nice.
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I\'m referring to those that harp on everything negative and refuse to acknowledge anything positive.

Such as, Saints sign player X.

The pessimist will compile a list of negatives associated with this player, and completely ignore the positives, and claim he\'s just being realistic. They usually live in a van down by the river.
So I guess that means those who questioned the Orlando Ruff, Derrick Rodgers, Tesucky Jones, Jonathon Sullivan acquisitions are pessimists, even thought they were right. Okay. I have yet to hear anyone poo-poo getting Dwight Smith, so how does your theory hold? Could it be cause Dwight Smith is widely considered a good player and could actually help? Oh my. What about Mayberry? I have heard noone have a problem with it if he was going to play guard. But if someone questions the fact he may be playing RT after only doing it for 4 games in his career they are a pessimist? OR someone sees he has been injured the past two years, that should be ignored? NFL teams don\'t ignore it. It\'s called a scouting report. I guess the person who thinks every player the Saints sign is gonna be a hall of famer is the actual realist. Nice.
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So I guess that means those who questioned the Orlando Ruff, Derrick Rodgers, Tesucky Jones, Jonathon Sullivan acquisitions are pessimists, even thought they were right. Okay. I have yet to hear anyone poo-poo getting Dwight Smith, so how does your theory hold? Could it be cause Dwight Smith is widely considered a good player and could actually help? Oh my. What about Mayberry? I have heard noone have a problem with it if he was going to play guard. But if someone questions the fact he may be playing RT after only doing it for 4 games in his career they are a pessimist? OR someone sees he has been injured the past two years, that should be ignored? NFL teams don\'t ignore it. It\'s called a scouting report. I guess the person who thinks every player the Saints sign is gonna be a hall of famer is the actual realist. Nice.
Call \'em what you will. Pessimists, doom and gloomers, negative agenda folks, realists, moonshiners, etc., etc,..

But, the way I see it, some of you guys dwell on the past way too much. Now , not making the playoffs for 4-years is good reason to be weary of this team.

But some of you take Saints\' bashing to a whole new level.

And you come to a Saints\' fan board to do it. No one wants to hear that stuff all the time.

If I wanted that I could go to a Falcon board.

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Well, obvious falsehoods have to be exposed, and this is becoming an almost daily occurence. Strikes no nerve with me. I guess I can\'t have the every guy is a hall of famer who wears black and gold motto Danno. Hope it works out for ya. How\'s it been so far?
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Call \'em what you will. Pessimists, doom and gloomers, negative agenda folks, realists, moonshiners, etc., etc,..

But, the way I see it, some of you guys dwell on the past way too much. Now , not making the playoffs for 4-years is good reason to be weary of this team.

But some of you take Saints\' bashing to a whole new level.

And you come to a Saints\' fan board to do it. No one wants to hear that stuff all the time.

If I wanted that I could go to a Falcon board.
So I guess people want smoke blown up their but all day. We don\'t get enough of that from Haslett and the FO? And aren\'t all these \"pessimists\" excited about the possibility of the draft? Aren\'t they happy we got Dwight Smith at least? Most rated the offseason a C so far cause we haven\'t gotten a LB, I guess they are pessimistic and it should be all As. :icon_bs:
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Guys, this is starting to get to personal. Chill out please.
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