If you could pick any two players...

baronm · 04-12-2005, 02:10 PM

I think we can all agree we need a leader not a stat-star.

most people think that stats are the defining definition of a football player when they only tell you half the story-or when you only use incomplete stats.

but how did this convo get so off track...

saintswhodi · 04-12-2005, 02:12 PM

but how did this convo get so off track...

TO answer your question:

All this Peyton Manning junk is making me sick. In a way, he\'s Brooks, good stats, cant win big games........

Granted I kno he has a better head on his shoulders than Brooks, but I wouldnt want Manning at all. I\'d take so many others over him. Why is it that no one has said Brady?

baronm · 04-12-2005, 02:14 PM

I\'ll take brady--but the question you gotta ask-is he a good qb in that scheme-whereas peyton will be a good QB no matter where he goes....

TayTay · 04-12-2005, 05:24 PM

Ray Lewis AND Brian Urlacher.

saintsfan1313 · 04-12-2005, 05:34 PM

Ok, so I went off topic for like 2 sentences, mostly I was wondering where Brady\'s name was, thats all. Sorry i disturbed the peace

GumboBC · 04-12-2005, 05:38 PM

As good as Peyton is ... I would not take him.

First ... he costs too damn much.

Second ... Peyton hasn\'t proven he can get it done. Now, Peyton might go on to be the best \"clutch\" QB in the history of the NFL. But ... Man, he\'s had some God Awful games in the playoffs and he has been more responsible for his team losing than any other single player on that Colts\' team.

I\'d take Brady over Petyon. When the Pats\' offense needs to score 30-points to win ... they score 31-points.

When Peyton and co. need to score 30-points to win ... they score 10-points.

saintsfan1313 · 04-12-2005, 05:51 PM

Whoo-hoo, a supporter! thanx Gumbo ole buddy

spkb25 · 04-12-2005, 05:53 PM

tom brady and ray lewis just because he wouldnt let anyone slack. he made some mistakes when he was young but he has grown up and he is a real professional and player

spkb25 · 04-12-2005, 05:57 PM

gumbo i understand your argument but i dont agree. this is and always will be a team game. quite honestly THIS PAST SEASON the loss wasnt his fault. they were completely dominated all over the field. at every position. i would have to say that what did surprise me about that game was the way indy\'s d played.
but i agree i would take brady also. for some reason the new joe montana just gets it done. i believe he has earned the right to be compared to joe. because that is who he reminds me of

mutineer10 · 04-12-2005, 09:06 PM

Peyton Manning and Julius Peppers

Both are incredibly skilled and young enough to make an impact for many years. Manning is, in my opinion, the best thing going at QB, and his dedication to learning the nuances of the game only add to his raw talents. Peppers is a disruptive force with true playmaking ability, and his speed gives him tremendous versatility.

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baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	If you could pick any two players... I think we can all agree we need a leader not a stat-star. most people think that stats are the defining definition of a football player when they only tell you half the story-or when you only use incomplete stats. but how did this convo get so off track...
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04-12-2005, 02:12 PM	#22
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	If you could pick any two players... but how did this convo get so off track... TO answer your question: All this Peyton Manning junk is making me sick. In a way, he\'s Brooks, good stats, cant win big games........ Granted I kno he has a better head on his shoulders than Brooks, but I wouldnt want Manning at all. I\'d take so many others over him. Why is it that no one has said Brady?

04-12-2005, 02:14 PM	#23
baronm 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 954	If you could pick any two players... I\'ll take brady--but the question you gotta ask-is he a good qb in that scheme-whereas peyton will be a good QB no matter where he goes....
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TayTay 100th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 118	If you could pick any two players... Ray Lewis AND Brian Urlacher.
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saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	If you could pick any two players... Ok, so I went off topic for like 2 sentences, mostly I was wondering where Brady\'s name was, thats all. Sorry i disturbed the peace

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04-12-2005, 05:38 PM	#26
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	If you could pick any two players... As good as Peyton is ... I would not take him. First ... he costs too damn much. Second ... Peyton hasn\'t proven he can get it done. Now, Peyton might go on to be the best \"clutch\" QB in the history of the NFL. But ... Man, he\'s had some God Awful games in the playoffs and he has been more responsible for his team losing than any other single player on that Colts\' team. I\'d take Brady over Petyon. When the Pats\' offense needs to score 30-points to win ... they score 31-points. When Peyton and co. need to score 30-points to win ... they score 10-points.
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04-12-2005, 05:51 PM	#27
saintsfan1313 El Mero Mero Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Kingsville, Tx Posts: 669	If you could pick any two players... Whoo-hoo, a supporter! thanx Gumbo ole buddy

04-12-2005, 05:53 PM	#28
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	If you could pick any two players... tom brady and ray lewis just because he wouldnt let anyone slack. he made some mistakes when he was young but he has grown up and he is a real professional and player

04-12-2005, 05:57 PM	#29
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,057	If you could pick any two players... gumbo i understand your argument but i dont agree. this is and always will be a team game. quite honestly THIS PAST SEASON the loss wasnt his fault. they were completely dominated all over the field. at every position. i would have to say that what did surprise me about that game was the way indy\'s d played. but i agree i would take brady also. for some reason the new joe montana just gets it done. i believe he has earned the right to be compared to joe. because that is who he reminds me of

04-12-2005, 09:06 PM	#30
mutineer10 Site Donor Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 1,739	If you could pick any two players... Peyton Manning and Julius Peppers Both are incredibly skilled and young enough to make an impact for many years. Manning is, in my opinion, the best thing going at QB, and his dedication to learning the nuances of the game only add to his raw talents. Peppers is a disruptive force with true playmaking ability, and his speed gives him tremendous versatility.