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denver trade rumor

pro football talk is reporting the broncos want out of their #26 spot in the first round. for what? a 2006 first rounder. this seems like a perfect take for n.o. to me. denver believes there is more talent next year and you can't argue about the odds of getting a better than 26 spot next year with the saints.

this would provide even more fuel for a move up if derrick johnson is sought. if not, it is a perfect range for several assumed saint targets- kevin burnett, cahnning crowder, khalif barnes, luis castillo, justin miller, etc.

okay, with #26 for next year's 1st, i have to add my eagles trade again-
#16 & #82 to philly for #31 & 35
let's throw in #38 from oakland for howard
that equates to-
#26, 31, 35, 38, and 40!
five out of 14 picks in that range would be primo to me. get
--burnett AND ruud at LB
--one CB out of marlin jackson, fabian washington, and corey webster
--OT adam terry, wesley britt, or marcus johnson
--campbell or walter at QB
--toss one of the above out if ya want and get DT hawthorne, mosley, or patterson

c'mon mickey, show us what ya can do

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I was thinking about this last night-let\'s say we can get the first from Phlly...then this first or dallas first

3 firsts, a second, etc.

1. we could move up-but I don\'t want dJ I want Rolle or baron...then we go linebacker etc.

2. we could stay put- in that case we go best available..If we stay put-I think we should take
1. davis
1a. brown
1b. burnett or terry
2. ruud
3. adam terry or a cb

if we get rolle and we have picks left over we should aim for terry and ruud.

but I think the saints are targeting antrolle rolle....now why they didn\'t get his brother in free agency=-who knows..that would\'ve been a tandem...but I think they are targeting rolle-maybe even to play safety.

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i dunno if i follow your math baron but i think we are on the same train.

PS/ antrel and samari are both from the miami area, both talkative, and both cornerbacks- but not related. any reason why you think they are targeting him? that would also require a move into the top ten picks in all liklihood.

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but I think the saints are targeting antrolle rolle....now why they didn\'t get his brother in free agency=-who knows..that would\'ve been a tandem...but I think they are targeting rolle-maybe even to play safety.

Samari and Antrell are of no relation. I like Rolle because of his fire more than anything else. This was the guy who two years ago when no one could stop fitzgerald from getting 10 catches 100 yds and a TD who held fitzgerald to something like no catches in the first half and three for the game. i also recall rolle being suspended a game because of throwing a punch at a player who tried to crackback his teammate...im not saying that i advocate getting suspended but i love the fire he has in taking on a challenge...i think with him, mckenzie, and brown at CB and if we could get crowder or burnett later, we would have the beginnings of a stout defense for next year

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I didn\'t know that...any of it...but I really think this is who the saints are focused on.

If so I like it-as some have said this is the best defensive player and maybe best player in the draft.

denver trade rumor

Has anyone seen any articles on who the Saints might be targeting? I know its not public knowledge that they would release, but Im up in BR and was wondering if anything has been in the Times Picayune over the past few days?

denver trade rumor

the only knock is that he might be TOO physical for corner and might end up as a safety. the 32nd ranked defense could use some more talent there too.

denver trade rumor

the only knock is that he might be TOO physical for corner and might end up as a safety. the 32nd ranked defense could use some more talent there too.

My only worry with moving him to safety is that i do not think he is big enough to man the SS spot and would then merely be backing up Dwight Smith at FS. Any thoughts?

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Antrel Rolle (Miami)
Vital statistics: 6-foot-0 1/8, 201 pounds, 4.48 in the 40.
Numbers game: A Parade Magazine All-American in high school. Started in 36 of 45 appearances, finishing his career with 183 tackles, 16 tackles for loss, five interceptions, 21 passes defensed, five fumble recoveries and 4ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â½ sacks. Had one interception return for a touchdown. In 2003, returned 13 punts for a 15.5-yard average and one score. Was twice suspended, once by the Big East and another time by school officials. Charged in July of 2004 after an incident in which people attacked his vehicle and he allegedly resisted arrest. Reinstated to team after he wrote letter of apology to police. Consensus All-American in 2004 and a member of the all-ACC team. Was a finalist for Jim Thorpe Award in 2004.
Upside: Big frame and powerful build through the upper body. Strong, active hands, can jolt a wide receiver with initial contact and pin him at the line. Loves to roughhouse with receivers, and will flat-out beat up wideouts as he runs alongside them. Excellent in bump-and-press coverages. Quicker than a lot of scouts thought. Forces the run and will play off blocks pretty nicely. Some blitz ability, especially when he sneaks up into the slot. Has played some safety, so be can move inside in nickel situations.
Downside: Although he has run well in workouts, lacks top-end speed and closing burst as well, doesn\'t always recover when he is beaten up the boundary. A little tight through the hips and not quite as fluid as you\'d like. Susceptible to double-move routes and will peek into the backfield a little too often.
The dish: Has the kind of size, toughness and mental makeup every team wants at what has become a premium position. Likely a top 10-selection.

but what if somehow we could get him and davis?

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Antrel Rolle (Miami)
Vital statistics: 6-foot-0 1/8, 201 pounds, 4.48 in the 40.
Numbers game: A Parade Magazine All-American in high school. Started in 36 of 45 appearances, finishing his career with 183 tackles, 16 tackles for loss, five interceptions, 21 passes defensed, five fumble recoveries and 4ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â½ sacks. Had one interception return for a touchdown. In 2003, returned 13 punts for a 15.5-yard average and one score. Was twice suspended, once by the Big East and another time by school officials. Charged in July of 2004 after an incident in which people attacked his vehicle and he allegedly resisted arrest. Reinstated to team after he wrote letter of apology to police. Consensus All-American in 2004 and a member of the all-ACC team. Was a finalist for Jim Thorpe Award in 2004.
Upside: Big frame and powerful build through the upper body. Strong, active hands, can jolt a wide receiver with initial contact and pin him at the line. Loves to roughhouse with receivers, and will flat-out beat up wideouts as he runs alongside them. Excellent in bump-and-press coverages. Quicker than a lot of scouts thought. Forces the run and will play off blocks pretty nicely. Some blitz ability, especially when he sneaks up into the slot. Has played some safety, so be can move inside in nickel situations.
Downside: Although he has run well in workouts, lacks top-end speed and closing burst as well, doesn\'t always recover when he is beaten up the boundary. A little tight through the hips and not quite as fluid as you\'d like. Susceptible to double-move routes and will peek into the backfield a little too often.
The dish: Has the kind of size, toughness and mental makeup every team wants at what has become a premium position. Likely a top 10-selection.

but what if somehow we could get him and davis? he\'s as big as most of the other safeties in the draft...6 foot , 200+

here\'s davis

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SS/OLB Thomas Davis (Georgia)
Vital statistics: 6 foot 1, 230 pounds, 4.52 in the 40.
Numbers game: In high school, played eight positions, including quarterback at one point. As a redshirt freshman and in his sophomore season, alternated between safety and strong-side linebacker. Played in 39 games, starting 29, and had 272 tackles, 17 tackles for loss, 10ÃƒÂ‚Ã‚Â½ sacks, 27 pressures, three interceptions, nine passes defensed, six forced fumbles and nine recoveries. Blocked two punts and returned one for a score. Also scored a touchdown on an interception return. A consensus All-American and all-SEC in 2004 and a semifinalist for the Bednarik Award.
Upside: Incredible, freaky size, and moves well for such a big man. Explosive tackler who hits with a naturally rising action and drives through in textbook fashion. Can really de-cleat a ball carrier or receiver and is always looking for the knockout hit. Will put the fear of God in anyone who crosses through his zone. Good lateral quickness and closing speed. Tough and nasty and plays with passion. Loves the game and competes hard on every snap.
Downside: Kind of an in-between player, and some teams still aren\'t sure whether he is a safety or a weak-side linebacker. A little tight in the hips and doesn\'t always take good angles in pursuit. Not a great change-of-direction defender. Does not show great range, even when sitting back in a zone, and can\'t play single coverages. At times, a flat-out liability in pass coverage. Not exactly a ballhawk.
The dish: Size-speed ratio is jaw-dropping, and his lights-out hitting style is compelling. He\'s a certain first-rounder, perhaps in the top half of the round, but the team that takes him is going to have to design things so that he plays in the box, where he should be a huge component in stopping the run.

personally I\'d rather take my chances with rolle

denver trade rumor

if i could have any db in this draft i would take rolle first.

denver trade rumor

the thing i like about davis is that i think he will thrive at safety...however because he is versatile we can try him at LB and if it doesnt pan out then we can groom him as Jay Bellamy\'s replacement at SS. Rolle is a similiar player. But when you look at SS you are looking for bigger guys that can cover TEs and guys that can come up and be a huge factor in run support...i tihnk that rolle could thrive at the FS spot but seeing that we already have Dwight Smith manning that position, I would say keep Rolle at corner and let him be physical.

denver trade rumor

If we got the 26 for a first next year then i would look at somethin like this. Assuming no trades with howard or moving up, both of which are likely to happen.

16-T. Davis SS
26-K. Barnes OT
40-Ruud (or best available LB)

Now if we can get say oakland 2nd pick 38 for howard.
38- Best LB
40- Best Dt
or vise versa

While I like the possiblity of getting Rolle, I like getting two posible starters over one. So I would rather Davis and Barnes over just Rolle.

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft0...len&id=2038751

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One NFC team views Antrel Rolle of Miami, yeah, the cornerback, as the premier free safety candidate in the draft pool.

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my dream would be to somehow get both..and then in the second go for our linebackers...and then look at tackles...then at quarterbacks, etc.

next year the tackle I really want is coming out..and he is much better than even baron-I con\'t rembember how to spell his name-

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in my opinion, 16th pick is t. davis, ss, ga., then 2nd rd. get k. burnett, lb, tenn., 3rd rd. get a. terry or m. roos, ot, syr and e. mich, 4th get a. mcpherson, qb, fla. st..... if we get another 2nd get ot then

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agreed-exept-scratch macpherson..i\'d rather have a guy that could make it on a college team...and get Le flours or fitzgerald, or even the NCAA all-time winningest quarterback Greene...(or is it just SEC...either way)

and I do want Roos..but I think terry will be gone as will burett:

how bout:
1. davis
2. ruud/burnett
2b. terry
3. ot-roos
4. quarterback-fitzgerald or green
5. dt
6. bpa
7. bpa

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i\'m not really with the idea of bringing in a mlb... we have watson and grant there already (i know, grant is a big ?) but if we draft another mlb, then watson goes to the outside and has to pretty much start all over again making progress at olb... i say get a proven olb, a la kevin burnett, who is a life long saint fan i might add, or even a pure athlete who will surely pick up olb quickly, thomas davis.... i really think mcpherson has learned his lesson.... i don\'t know too many intelligent people who go around touching hot stoves 2 and 3 times before learning the lesson, with that said mcpherson has been \"burned\" before and i don\'t see n.o. as another stove for him.... but, i\'ve been wrong before....

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i\'m sorry, but that wonderlic test ain\'t exactly the hardest thing in the world... and just b/c fitzgerald scored a perfect everyone is on this kid\'s bandwagon... honestly, before that score came out, had you ever heard of him? i haven\'t and i\'m an avid college football fan, even of d 1-aa (Go northwestern st. demons!!!) i just think everyone makes so much of these stupid numbers that they forget what they\'ve actually done on the field.... i\'ve said it before, give me someone can go out there and play 60 min. of solid football, not someone who can go out there in short and a t-shirt and run a forty or bench press a volvo... those things are nice, but it comes down to what the player can do on the field, not at the combine...

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i\'ve said it before, give me someone can go out there and play 60 min. of solid football, not someone who can go out there in short and a t-shirt and run a forty or bench press a volvo

another reason I don\'t want Mapherson-he could play at FSU-if you are any good, FSU will let you get away with murder or close to it..remember the guy who got a free shopping spree from footlocker? there are many more examples. the guy simply has too many question marks for a first day pick-where someone will take him.

I want ruud for the same reason-he\'s a football player..and as much as I don\'t want to give up experience in the middle, and like burnett-also a football player...but I don\'t think burnett will be there...if he is by all means-take him over ruud and leave watson in the middle.

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maybe we\'d better ask brooks about that test, rx..............smitty

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Is the OT from next years D\'Brickashaw Ferguson from UVA? He will be pretty good too. I would love to make that trade for 26th, if we know we wouldn\'t do bad next year.

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I think moving up is a stupid idea... I like trading back the most... there is a lot of talent in this years draft I don\'t care what... if you want to believe the smoke someone is blowing up your butts, go for it. Denver, if you care to believe the junk... would trade back for... more pics, period... ya get the most pics you can in this draft and that is done by trading pics if you don\'t want to part with your current players.