Can we all agree, Vacaro....

dam1953 · 12-18-2017, 03:29 PM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Whoa! Unfare comparison. Browner was a liability as soon as he stepped on the field. He'd find a way to get flagged while the offense was on the field.

Plus Kenny can tackle. The only contact Browner ever made was grabbing a jersey. Once the receiver caught the ball Browner avoided all contact.

ChrisXVI · 12-18-2017, 03:34 PM

Sadly it’s true that Vaccaro is not very good. What I fear though in letting him leave is messing up the defense’s chemistry. What we don’t see is how much he means to the team behind closed doors during the week.

Danno · 12-18-2017, 03:44 PM

He doesn't suck, he just isn't the A-player we'd hoped for.

He's merely an average NFL safety with occasion good to great games.

Not worth a mega-contract thats for sure.

mapcow · 12-18-2017, 03:48 PM

Kenny Vaccaro signed a 4 year, $9,424,712 contract with the New Orleans Saints, including a $5,234,336 signing bonus, $9,424,712 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $2,356,178. In 2017, Vaccaro will earn a base salary of $5,676,000, while carrying a cap hit of $5,676,000 and a dead cap value of $5,676,000.

Way too much money for the kind of play he is putting up.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orlea...cash-earnings/

he sucks big time; hell, he sucks so much, I can't even spell his name correctly!

2013 Player Cash Earnings $405,000 $4,618,530 - - - - - $5,023,530
2014 Player Cash Earnings $833,396 - - - - - - $833,396
2015 Player Cash Earnings $1,261,792 - - - - - $56,555 $1,318,347
2016 Player Cash Earnings $1,292,495 - - - - - - $1,292,495
2017 Player Cash Earnings $5,676,000 - - - - - - $5,676,000
5 seasons $9,468,683 $4,618,530 - - - - $56,555

Total $14,143,768

K Major · 12-18-2017, 03:51 PM

^^^^ Get rid of Crawley? He's been nothing but a solid # 2 corner ever since he got his job back from De'vante Harris earlier this season.

Danno · 12-18-2017, 04:23 PM

Crawley is a top 5 player on our defense

dizzle88 · 12-18-2017, 04:44 PM

Crawley has been a huge difference maker, he makes dumb penalties every now and again, the shove vs jets was unwarranted but he's a young guy and I imagine he's already learned from that.

As for Paytons "it's always the same guy" speech, I think someone needs to tell him that his top 10 offense didn't score a single point for over 21 minutes at one point during the Jets game.

Focus on converting third downs and let the D play, they may make mistakes but they have won more games than our offense has for us this season. Which is unheard of.

Lord_Saint83 · 12-18-2017, 04:47 PM

Since he plays like a linebacker why don't they move him to that position its working for mark barron and worked for thomas davis he played safety/lb at georgia

K Major · 12-18-2017, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

What I fear though in letting him leave is messing up the defense’s chemistry.

With all of the key additions around KV in 2017, I thought he'd elevate his game this year. It still hasn't happened. Take him away from the LOS, he's limited in ability. As Rez stated earlier, there will be better options out there in 2018.

WhoDat!656 · 12-18-2017, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by mapcow

"We've got to eliminate the penalties," Payton said. "It shows up every week. The same guys. Every week. Same guys."
Ken Crawley and Kenny Vaccaro walked into Week 15 as the top two most penalized Saints players this season. Vaccaro picked up two pass interference penalties. Crawley landed an unsportsmanlike penalty for a shove on a Jets player still on the ground after the play.

GET RID of 'em!

The call against Crawley was BS; later in the game a Jet player speared a Saints WR while after he was clearly down in front of an official and he wasn't flagged.

12-18-2017, 03:29 PM	#11
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: Can we all agree, Vacaro.... Originally Posted by jnormand Whoa! Unfare comparison. Browner was a liability as soon as he stepped on the field. He'd find a way to get flagged while the offense was on the field. Plus Kenny can tackle. The only contact Browner ever made was grabbing a jersey. Once the receiver caught the ball Browner avoided all contact. jnormand likes this.

12-18-2017, 03:34 PM	#12
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Can we all agree, Vacaro.... Sadly it’s true that Vaccaro is not very good. What I fear though in letting him leave is messing up the defense’s chemistry. What we don’t see is how much he means to the team behind closed doors during the week. jnormand likes this.

12-18-2017, 03:44 PM	#13
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Can we all agree, Vacaro.... He doesn't suck, he just isn't the A-player we'd hoped for. He's merely an average NFL safety with occasion good to great games. Not worth a mega-contract thats for sure. jnormand, RockyMountainSaint and Mardigras9 like this.

12-18-2017, 03:48 PM	#14
mapcow Just a Fan Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 1,333	Re: Can we all agree, Vacaro.... Kenny Vaccaro signed a 4 year, $9,424,712 contract with the New Orleans Saints, including a $5,234,336 signing bonus, $9,424,712 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $2,356,178. In 2017, Vaccaro will earn a base salary of $5,676,000, while carrying a cap hit of $5,676,000 and a dead cap value of $5,676,000. Way too much money for the kind of play he is putting up. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orlea...cash-earnings/ he sucks big time; hell, he sucks so much, I can't even spell his name correctly! 2013 Player Cash Earnings $405,000 $4,618,530 - - - - - $5,023,530 2014 Player Cash Earnings $833,396 - - - - - - $833,396 2015 Player Cash Earnings $1,261,792 - - - - - $56,555 $1,318,347 2016 Player Cash Earnings $1,292,495 - - - - - - $1,292,495 2017 Player Cash Earnings $5,676,000 - - - - - - $5,676,000 5 seasons $9,468,683 $4,618,530 - - - - $56,555 Total $14,143,768
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12-18-2017, 03:51 PM	#15
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,030 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Can we all agree, Vacaro.... ^^^^ Get rid of Crawley? He's been nothing but a solid # 2 corner ever since he got his job back from De'vante Harris earlier this season. RockyMountainSaint, Seer1 and MarchingOn like this.

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12-18-2017, 04:23 PM	#16
Danno Site Donor 2014 Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,640	Re: Can we all agree, Vacaro.... Crawley is a top 5 player on our defense MarchingOn likes this.

12-18-2017, 04:44 PM	#17
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Can we all agree, Vacaro.... Crawley has been a huge difference maker, he makes dumb penalties every now and again, the shove vs jets was unwarranted but he's a young guy and I imagine he's already learned from that. As for Paytons "it's always the same guy" speech, I think someone needs to tell him that his top 10 offense didn't score a single point for over 21 minutes at one point during the Jets game. Focus on converting third downs and let the D play, they may make mistakes but they have won more games than our offense has for us this season. Which is unheard of. RockyMountainSaint, ChrisXVI and MarchingOn like this.
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12-18-2017, 04:47 PM	#18
Lord_Saint83 100% Blunt Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Saint Gabriel, La Posts: 2,754	Re: Can we all agree, Vacaro.... Since he plays like a linebacker why don't they move him to that position its working for mark barron and worked for thomas davis he played safety/lb at georgia

12-18-2017, 04:56 PM	#19
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,030 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Can we all agree, Vacaro.... Originally Posted by ChrisXVI What I fear though in letting him leave is messing up the defense’s chemistry. With all of the key additions around KV in 2017, I thought he'd elevate his game this year. It still hasn't happened. Take him away from the LOS, he's limited in ability. As Rez stated earlier, there will be better options out there in 2018. RockyMountainSaint likes this.

12-18-2017, 05:07 PM	#20
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,001	Re: Can we all agree, Vacaro.... Originally Posted by mapcow "We've got to eliminate the penalties," Payton said. "It shows up every week. The same guys. Every week. Same guys." Ken Crawley and Kenny Vaccaro walked into Week 15 as the top two most penalized Saints players this season. Vaccaro picked up two pass interference penalties. Crawley landed an unsportsmanlike penalty for a shove on a Jets player still on the ground after the play. GET RID of 'em! The call against Crawley was BS; later in the game a Jet player speared a Saints WR while after he was clearly down in front of an official and he wasn't flagged.

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