The Unexpected is gonna happen.

GumboBC · 04-21-2005, 02:58 PM

saintwhodi --

First ... the draft can\'t get here soon enough for me.

Second ... I said that obviously Sullivan was talented but his attitude had been the problem. I then showed you a RECENT article in which Haslett said the exact samething.

But ... you dismissed what Haslett said because it was the offseaon.

And you then posted an article, written during the season, in which Haslett said Sullivan wasn\'t playing up to expectations.

Like that really proved Sullivan doesn\'t have talent, saintwhodi.

I hear Ricky Williams has been visiting you.

Leave that wacky-weed alone.

saintswhodi · 04-21-2005, 03:07 PM

Hey, it\'s two days before the draft. What do you want?

Second ... I said that obviously Sullivan was talented but his attitude had been the problem. I then showed you a RECENT article in which Haslett said the exact samething.

What you said was, Haslett said Sully has talent, and used that to justify your position. You said it BEFORE that article was printed. Then when that article came out, you used it to justify what you said. I asked for an article from the time you were making these statements, there were none. Hence, the problem I am still having. And ricky was visiting me?

And on top of that, NOW you tell me everythign Haslett says before the draft is lies. So since he talked about Sully BEFORE the draft, would that not them make what he said a lie? Wrap your head around that. :P

Hurry up draft please. Lord let us not be inept. :casstet:

Puddinhead · 04-21-2005, 03:08 PM

Interesting mock over on neworleansprofootball.com...they\'ve got a \"draft board\" compiled from the best information they could glean from over at Saints camp and such, and when they start trying to logically sort out players to all of the teams selecting ahead of NO, by the time they get to #16 the top player left on the Saints board they\'ve compiled is Marcus Spears. They say he could easily fall to that spot based on the post-season surgery and the late rush that some other players (like Troy Williamson) are making, and that he could easily add 15 lbs of muscle to his frame and would be moved inside to compete with Howard Green at the two-gap tackle spot.

GumboBC · 04-21-2005, 03:12 PM

saintwhodi --

Haslett has said Sullivan is very talented. And he\'s said it on more than one occassion. Both during the regular season and during the off-season.

I\'m sure many here can back me up on that. I don\'t need to post articles to prove it.

But, I did post an article where Haslett said that exact thing. If you don\'t want to believe Haslett, then that\'s your business.
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And lying about the draft is something all coaches and teams do.

Do I need to provide a link for that statement too?

It\'s common-sense, saintwhodi.

Or in your case ... it\'s rare-sense ...

Sorry, couldn\'t resist.

Jimnthetwins · 04-21-2005, 03:12 PM

The latest rumor I heard was the Saints sending Darren Howard and a 4th round pick to San Diego for the 28th pick of the draft. That would allow San Diego to take a WR at 12 and still get their DE with Howard. It would give the Saints much more flexibility with 3 picks in the top 40.

saintswhodi · 04-21-2005, 03:18 PM

Hey Gum, you can provide(or not provide as normally is the case) anything you like. I am just messing with you, call it pre-draft boredom. But let\'s see if I can live up to your standard. I am gonna go on record right now as saying whoever we draft has talent, before we draft them, and I am gonna go on record right now as saying Haslett says they have talent, before he says it, therefore when he does say it, I can say I was right. That about how it works?

But anyway, we got a draft coming, I am more than ready, but I am also almost sick with fear we will screw up. Not a good feeling. So basically I am just ready to get it overwith.

BreesFN9 · 04-21-2005, 03:25 PM

Since this started with the thought of us possibly moving up to get DJ, I had a question about #3 Cleveland. I think they are the biggest threat to taking DJ before the #6 if we trade with TENN. Don\'t think he\'ll be there past #6.

So back to my original question, Will Cleveland pass up on Rogers or Smith if either are at # 3? Honestly why would they, they need a QB. The whole defense wins championship scenario? If so is DJ that good that you can build a D around him? If we got him I think he would help but we\'d be adding too the D not building around.

4saintspirit · 04-21-2005, 03:28 PM

Since this started with the thought of us possibly moving up to get DJ, I had a question about #3 Cleveland. I think they are the biggest threat to taking DJ before the #6 if we trade with TENN. Don\'t think he\'ll be there past #6.

So back to my original question, Will Cleveland pass up on Rogers or Smith if either are at # 3? Honestly why would they, they need a QB. The whole defense wins championship scenario? If so is DJ that good that you can build a D around him? If we got him I think he would help but we\'d be adding too the D not building around.

I agree -- but with Tenn losing both starting cornerbacks they are going to stay put at #6 and probably draft Rolle

saintswhodi · 04-21-2005, 03:30 PM

Well, Cleveland\'s coach, Romeo Crennel, the guy we should have gotten, was a defensive coordinator, and a genius at it. SO more than likely he is looking for D, but also looking to trade down. If Smith is there, they may take him, but not Rogers. Btu after losing all their d-lineman, maybe Howard looks like a good fit with a pick to move up?

BreesFN9 · 04-21-2005, 03:38 PM

But after losing all their d-lineman, maybe Howard looks like a good fit with a pick to move up?

Good point!

but with Tenn losing both starting cornerbacks they are going to stay put at #6 and probably draft Rolle

I agree too. So it looks like we\'ll HAVE to package Howard and some picks to get to DJ?

04-21-2005, 02:58 PM	#11
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	The Unexpected is gonna happen. saintwhodi -- First ... the draft can\'t get here soon enough for me. Second ... I said that obviously Sullivan was talented but his attitude had been the problem. I then showed you a RECENT article in which Haslett said the exact samething. But ... you dismissed what Haslett said because it was the offseaon. And you then posted an article, written during the season, in which Haslett said Sullivan wasn\'t playing up to expectations. Like that really proved Sullivan doesn\'t have talent, saintwhodi. I hear Ricky Williams has been visiting you. Leave that wacky-weed alone.
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616

04-21-2005, 03:07 PM	#12
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	The Unexpected is gonna happen. Hey, it\'s two days before the draft. What do you want? Second ... I said that obviously Sullivan was talented but his attitude had been the problem. I then showed you a RECENT article in which Haslett said the exact samething. What you said was, Haslett said Sully has talent, and used that to justify your position. You said it BEFORE that article was printed. Then when that article came out, you used it to justify what you said. I asked for an article from the time you were making these statements, there were none. Hence, the problem I am still having. And ricky was visiting me? And on top of that, NOW you tell me everythign Haslett says before the draft is lies. So since he talked about Sully BEFORE the draft, would that not them make what he said a lie? Wrap your head around that. :P Hurry up draft please. Lord let us not be inept. :casstet:

04-21-2005, 03:08 PM	#13
Puddinhead 100th Post Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 102	The Unexpected is gonna happen. Interesting mock over on neworleansprofootball.com...they\'ve got a \"draft board\" compiled from the best information they could glean from over at Saints camp and such, and when they start trying to logically sort out players to all of the teams selecting ahead of NO, by the time they get to #16 the top player left on the Saints board they\'ve compiled is Marcus Spears. They say he could easily fall to that spot based on the post-season surgery and the late rush that some other players (like Troy Williamson) are making, and that he could easily add 15 lbs of muscle to his frame and would be moved inside to compete with Howard Green at the two-gap tackle spot.
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04-21-2005, 03:12 PM	#14
GumboBC Banned Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,616	The Unexpected is gonna happen. saintwhodi -- Haslett has said Sullivan is very talented. And he\'s said it on more than one occassion. Both during the regular season and during the off-season. I\'m sure many here can back me up on that. I don\'t need to post articles to prove it. But, I did post an article where Haslett said that exact thing. If you don\'t want to believe Haslett, then that\'s your business. [ And lying about the draft is something all coaches and teams do. Do I need to provide a link for that statement too? It\'s common-sense, saintwhodi. Or in your case ... it\'s rare-sense ... Sorry, couldn\'t resist.
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04-21-2005, 03:12 PM	#15
Jimnthetwins Rookie Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 15	The Unexpected is gonna happen. The latest rumor I heard was the Saints sending Darren Howard and a 4th round pick to San Diego for the 28th pick of the draft. That would allow San Diego to take a WR at 12 and still get their DE with Howard. It would give the Saints much more flexibility with 3 picks in the top 40.
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04-21-2005, 03:18 PM	#16
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	The Unexpected is gonna happen. Hey Gum, you can provide(or not provide as normally is the case) anything you like. I am just messing with you, call it pre-draft boredom. But let\'s see if I can live up to your standard. I am gonna go on record right now as saying whoever we draft has talent, before we draft them, and I am gonna go on record right now as saying Haslett says they have talent, before he says it, therefore when he does say it, I can say I was right. That about how it works? But anyway, we got a draft coming, I am more than ready, but I am also almost sick with fear we will screw up. Not a good feeling. So basically I am just ready to get it overwith.

04-21-2005, 03:25 PM	#17
BreesFN9 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 596	The Unexpected is gonna happen. Since this started with the thought of us possibly moving up to get DJ, I had a question about #3 Cleveland. I think they are the biggest threat to taking DJ before the #6 if we trade with TENN. Don\'t think he\'ll be there past #6. So back to my original question, Will Cleveland pass up on Rogers or Smith if either are at # 3? Honestly why would they, they need a QB. The whole defense wins championship scenario? If so is DJ that good that you can build a D around him? If we got him I think he would help but we\'d be adding too the D not building around.
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04-21-2005, 03:28 PM	#18
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	The Unexpected is gonna happen. Since this started with the thought of us possibly moving up to get DJ, I had a question about #3 Cleveland. I think they are the biggest threat to taking DJ before the #6 if we trade with TENN. Don\'t think he\'ll be there past #6. So back to my original question, Will Cleveland pass up on Rogers or Smith if either are at # 3? Honestly why would they, they need a QB. The whole defense wins championship scenario? If so is DJ that good that you can build a D around him? If we got him I think he would help but we\'d be adding too the D not building around. I agree -- but with Tenn losing both starting cornerbacks they are going to stay put at #6 and probably draft Rolle
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04-21-2005, 03:30 PM	#19
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	The Unexpected is gonna happen. Well, Cleveland\'s coach, Romeo Crennel, the guy we should have gotten, was a defensive coordinator, and a genius at it. SO more than likely he is looking for D, but also looking to trade down. If Smith is there, they may take him, but not Rogers. Btu after losing all their d-lineman, maybe Howard looks like a good fit with a pick to move up?

04-21-2005, 03:38 PM	#20
BreesFN9 500th Post Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Posts: 596	The Unexpected is gonna happen. But after losing all their d-lineman, maybe Howard looks like a good fit with a pick to move up? Good point! but with Tenn losing both starting cornerbacks they are going to stay put at #6 and probably draft Rolle I agree too. So it looks like we\'ll HAVE to package Howard and some picks to get to DJ?