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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. All he had to do wasn't just sign. Graham didn't want to play under the franchise tag. He wanted a contract. He was coerced into letting the NFLPA file a grievance on the franchise tag ...

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Old 03-06-2018, 06:00 PM   #51
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No. All he had to do wasn't just sign. Graham didn't want to play under the franchise tag. He wanted a contract. He was coerced into letting the NFLPA file a grievance on the franchise tag designation. This was something the PA had wanted to address and this was their first chance. By doing what they requested of him it did not hurt anyone. That is other than a number of soft-skinned fans that couldn't understand that this was a point of contention between the league and the PA that both sides wanted to resolve. All it did was postpone the deal that Graham was going to be getting anyway.

No, Graham wasn't a victim. There were no victims. It was simply a legal issue that hurt nobody. And where the heck are you getting this jail tripe? Yes, Jimmy knew what he was doing and why he was doing it. It is clear that you don't understand.

You are making it all too personal. Nobody did anything wrong. It is all just business. Lighten up.
See the parts in bold? You just lost the debate for yourself.

Again, NOBODY FORCED him to do anything. The choice was his and he knew exactly what he was doing - your words, and you're the self-proclaimed expert eh? Otherwise, what you call 'tripe' would be against the law, and thank you again for proving my point. The agent and the NFLPA forced Jimmy not to sign? Sir you need to get real.

What is clear is that the only person taking this personal is you sir. YOU are the one who, by your own admission read everything ever published on the internet on the subject. For me, this is just my football team, not my life.

We could have just agreed to disagree, but you won't let it go.

As for lightening up, I think a look in your mirror is in order sir.
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Old 03-06-2018, 06:01 PM   #52
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Re: Saints interested in reunion with Jimmy Graham

Is it really likely he comes back?
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How much power will we have to sign if Green Bay, New England, Dallas, and Oakland vie for him? Would he still want to stick it to us by going to Atlanta?
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See the parts in bold? You just lost the debate for yourself.

Again, NOBODY FORCED him to do anything. The choice was his and he knew exactly what he was doing - your words, and you're the self-proclaimed expert eh? Otherwise, what you call 'tripe' would be against the law, and thank you again for proving my point. The agent and the NFLPA forced Jimmy not to sign? Sir you need to get real.

What is clear is that the only person taking this personal is you sir. YOU are the one who, by your own admission read everything ever published on the internet on the subject. For me, this is just my football team, not my life.

We could have just agreed to disagree, but you won't let it go.

As for lightening up, I think a look in your mirror is in order sir.
I see you don't "get it". Yes, Graham had a choice but he made the choice that would help other union members. He made the choice for the good of the whole.

Once again, why is that so bad? Why are you so bent out of shape over it? Explain your distress. I don't understand why you are so bent out of shape over it.

Yes, he knew what he was doing and what he was doing had nothing to do with any of your personal business.

And once again, bullcrap on your overreaction that anything related could ever be "against the law".

Get a grip, dude.

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Old 03-06-2018, 06:21 PM   #55
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"Dealt without warning?"
Oh yeah the Mickster and the Paytoner should have called and asked if it was alright with him that he get traded.
Happens all the time in the NFL, just ask Belichick!
I'll bet they didn't even help him pack or give him a ride to airport!
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Yes, Graham had a choice but he made the choice...

Yes, he knew what he was doing...

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Rather than acknowledge the rest of that...tripe...let's just stick to the part where you prove my point. Again.

My position is that Jimmy knew what he was doing and could have stopped it had he wanted to. Twice in your last two posts you agree. So what on earth are you still arguing for? Your position is that he was used as an unwitting pawn by the NFLPA. Your position is wrong. Jimmy controls Jimmy. Nobody else.

You keep proving me right. It's time to agree to disagree dude. The quickest way out of a hole is to stop digging bro.

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"Dealt without warning?"
Oh yeah the Mickster and the Paytoner should have called and asked if it was alright with him that he get traded.
Happens all the time in the NFL, just ask Belichick!
I'll bet they didn't even help him pack or give him a ride to airport!
You misunderstood me. My point is JG had just signed a 4 year record breaking deal with his only team and was dealt the next season - to his shock, apparently to his QBs shock as well. As in no sign that he would have been dealt.
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Rather than acknowledge the rest of that...tripe...let's just stick to the part where you prove my point. Again.

My position is that Jimmy knew what he was doing and could have stopped it had he wanted to. Twice in your last two posts you agree. So what on earth are you still arguing for? Your position is that he was used as an unwitting pawn by the NFLPA. Your position is wrong. Jimmy controls Jimmy. Nobody else.

You keep proving me right. It's time to agree to disagree dude. The quickest way out of a hole is to stop digging bro.
The point is WHY should he have stopped it? What damage did it do? He got the exact same contract he would have received regardless.

What was there to stop? What was so terrible about a lawsuit to solve a legal loophole?

Why does it rile you so much. To be honest I enjoyed the legal play since I knew it meant nothing to me personally.

What is your issue?

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You misunderstood me. My point is JG had just signed a 4 year record breaking deal with his only team and was dealt the next season - to his shock, apparently to his QBs shock as well. As in no sign that he would have been dealt.
And even Saints management expected to deal him. If you read back you would know that his part in the Unger and a trade for a 1st round pick was demanded by the Seahawks and not planned by the Saints.
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The point is WHY should he have stopped it? What damage did it do? He got the exact same contract he would have received regardless.

What was there to stop? What was so terrible about a lawsuit to solve a legal loophole?

Why does it rile you so much. To be honest I enjoyed the legal play since I knew it meant nothing to me personally.

What is your issue?

No, none of that was the point. The point was I said he knew exactly what he was doing. You said he was just a pawn of the NFLPE and he had no choice. You keep moving the sticks to adjust to your position. Debates do not work that way Sir.

Right now? My "issue"? Well, the fact that you won't just let it go and agree to disagree, which I've been trying to do for a while now.

My point is that Jimmy knew what he was doing. You initially argued that he was merely a pawn. I have shown your take to be bogus, so much so that you have agreed with me in multiple posts.

You lost. Move on. It's ok. It's just a football forum.


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