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Old 04-25-2005, 03:24 PM   #21
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smitty --

Now you see why WhoDat is egging whodi about Howard still being here.

If you listen to whodi, then you\'d think Howard is some washed-up bum that should be kicked off the team because he can no longer produce.

I don\'t know why saintwhodi has it in for Howard. But he does!
now billy, if you go back and find where i brought up why howard should stay if we could not get equal value for him, i recall you telling me howard has probably seen his best yrs. here...........remember? still don\'t agree with that..........
howard may put up his best #\'s here this yr should he stay.......
he\'s a player, something every team wants from their people.
and what if pray tell, should one of our overloaded, talented,
capped out to the max luxuries go down in training? as with other teams? again, why get antsy? as far as giving up howard for a 2nd cause that\'s all he\'ll fetch, pleasssssssssssee.
most of you say we waste the 2nd\'s not to mention some of the 1st\'s....................where is the compensation? i still don\'t see it..............smitty
read what i said you said here billy..........that\'s all i\'m saying, nothing more, nothing less..............smitty
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:29 PM   #22
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and whodi, correct me if i\'m wrong, (god knows i have been) but have\'nt you brought up howard\'s age as a factor to trading him? smitty
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:31 PM   #23
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smitty --

I\'m getting confused.

I know you have been in favor of keeping Howard. And I know you thought we should get good value if we traded Howard.

And I\'ve always agreed with that.

I\'ve always thought we\'d be better off if we got rid of Howard. I don\'t think we NEED a 3-man DE rotation.

But, if we just had to GIVE Howard way? NO NO !!

Howard is more valuable to us this year than some guy who will never see the field.

And that\'s what I have said from day one.
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:37 PM   #24
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we\'re on the same page there billy.........i\'m just saying what you replied when i brought up keeping howard.......
i believe it was a thread that went something like, aaaaahhhh, can we talk about howard again, or something like that....smitty
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Old 04-25-2005, 03:41 PM   #25
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But guys! If we keep Howard we can\'t sign any of our draft picks and we have to cut Brooks, Bentley, Deuce, and McKenzie!!!!

Is Howard worth all those drafts picks and four starters?!?! He WILL be traded... probably for another Franchise player whose salary won\'t cause all those problems I just cited. Don\'t you guys know anything about the cap!?!?!?!?!


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But guys! If we keep Howard we can\'t sign any of our draft picks and we have to cut Brooks, Bentley, Deuce, and McKenzie!!!!

Is Howard worth all those drafts picks and four starters?!?! He WILL be traded... probably for another Franchise player whose salary won\'t cause all those problems I just cited. Don\'t you guys know anything about the cap!?!?!?!?!


LOL
Pot...............kettle.

and whodi, correct me if i\'m wrong, (god knows i have been) but have\'nt you brought up howard\'s age as a factor to trading him? smitty
Nope. Trading Howard for me has been about money, plain and simple. I made a comment that we got Smith cause we knew Howard was at the end of the road. You took it as meaning he was on the decline. I explained in that same thread that what I meant was in the road here in New Orleans, end of his contract, and was gonna be wanting a lot of money. Same words, different meaning. I have never raised a stink over his age, why would I now?
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But guys! If we keep Howard we can\'t sign any of our draft picks and we have to cut Brooks, Bentley, Deuce, and McKenzie!!!!

Is Howard worth all those drafts picks and four starters?!?! He WILL be traded... probably for another Franchise player whose salary won\'t cause all those problems I just cited. Don\'t you guys know anything about the cap!?!?!?!?!


LOL
Pot...............kettle.

and whodi, correct me if i\'m wrong, (god knows i have been) but have\'nt you brought up howard\'s age as a factor to trading him? smitty
then i apologize.............smitty

Nope. Trading Howard for me has been about money, plain and simple. I made a comment that we got Smith cause we knew Howard was at the end of the road. You took it as meaning he was on the decline. I explained in that same thread that what I meant was in the road here in New Orleans, end of his contract, and was gonna be wanting a lot of money. Same words, different meaning. I have never raised a stink over his age, why would I now?
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Old 04-25-2005, 04:08 PM   #28
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Trading Howard for me has been about money, plain and simple. I made a comment that we got Smith cause we knew Howard was at the end of the road. You took it as meaning he was on the decline. I explained in that same thread that what I meant was in the road here in New Orleans, end of his contract, and was gonna be wanting a lot of money.
Hang on - let me get this straight...


1. Trading Howard isn\'t about money.

2. We signed Smith b/c we knew Howard was at the end of his road (and here I thought it was because the players we wanted were gone and he was the BPA).

3. Howard isn\'t really declining in terms of his play. He\'s just at the end of his road in New Orleans. Why? Money.

So which is it? Is Howard done in NO b/c of money or not?
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Until this magical contract where Howard gets paid only 2 mil this year is signed, I don\'t see that there is much argument there.

I\'m with Whodi on this:
Nope. Trading Howard for me has been about money, plain and simple.
I also think this: a third stud DE is a luxury, plain and simple. A team with the 32nd ranked defense, no vetran leadership in the LB corps and one decent DT cannot afford a luxury at DE. Trade him for someone who will be a starter, bring vetran leadership to our weaker units, and not only be on the field either 2/3 of the time or out of position.

Also, I understand platooning and rotations - every team does that, it isn\'t like I don\'t know that. The problem is those rotations are NOT continuous - better players are on the field more so they can make plays. We do not need a third (high priced) DE to platoon... Willie Whitehead will do.

"... I was beating them with my eyes the whole game..." - Aaron Brooks :cool:
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Thanks Kool.

WhoDat, this is such a pain, seriously. Do you just wanna cause arguments or \"raz\" me? Did you read what you typed? Line #1 of what you said:
1. Trading Howard isn\'t about money.
Line #1 of what I said that you QUOTED in that very same thread:
Trading Howard for me has been about money, plain and simple.
Then your question:
So which is it? Is Howard done in NO b/c of money or not?
Which I will again answer with the line that you QUOTED from my previous answer to smitty:
Trading Howard for me has been about money, plain and simple.
Seriously, what is the point of this?
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