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FireVenturi 04-24-2005 03:44 PM

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1.Jammal Brown-B minus-addressed a need, but passed up a bigger need-lb
2.JOsh Bullocks-D minus-I have no clue what they are thinkin, coulda had Burnett
3.Alfred Fincher-B Plus-It did address LB finally, and after reading about him i really like it
4.Chase Hyman-F-hurt,hurt, and hurt
5.Adrian McPherson-A-This guy has real talent and is accurate although they have had some conflicting reports
6.Jason Jefferson-B PLus-filled a need with the best DT left on the board

Overall i give it a C PLUS- we had a shot to get the best D Player in the draft in Thomas Davis and we paseed, and also had a shot to get Dj.2nd and 4th rds were a disaster. we made up for it in the 3rd,5th, and 6th. So, i know its a shock, but i say mediocre!I do like Brown, but not over T Davis or DJ

nola_swammi 04-24-2005 04:06 PM

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D-.....I say fire them all and keep the scouts

baronm 04-24-2005 04:06 PM

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1. brown b plus-got the best at a position of need
2. F...Why didn\' t we get burnett?
3. fincher- b--what I hear I like
4. F..who?
5. B--with a fifth this pick shouldn\'t hurt us too much, and could really help us
6. jefferson-b

overall- d...why didn\'t we get burnett?

Rsanders24 04-24-2005 04:22 PM

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C- I think that the 4th and the 7th round picks were terrible. I think that we should have drafted a CB with the 4th and a RB with the 7th. Besides that I think that they did an avg. job I think that we need some help in our scouting department, badly!

rAge 04-24-2005 04:26 PM

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2.JOsh Bullocks-D minus-I have no clue what they are thinkin, coulda had Burnett
12 INT\'s in 2003, that\'s what they were thinking. We needed a playmaker and we got one.

FireVenturi 04-24-2005 04:28 PM

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yea if he can get on the field? They are sayin he is to add depth?

rAge 04-24-2005 04:30 PM

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yea if he can get on the field? They are sayin he is to add depth?
If he can get on the field? What\'s stopping him from being on the field? As I mentioned in another topic, in the nickle - he could come out as a FS and move Dwight Smith over to CB. Or move Smith to SS (he played it in Tampa for awhile). We have options. The guy is a playmaker, and we really needed someone like that.

FireVenturi 04-24-2005 04:35 PM

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I hope that is what they have in mind

mutineer10 04-24-2005 04:42 PM

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1. Jammal Brown - B - can\'t forgive them for passing on DJ, but I actually had the Saints taking Brown on my draft board. I don\'t think we\'ll regret Brown, but we may regret snubbing DJ more.

2. Josh Bullocks - D - probably could\'ve gotten him in the 3rd. I don\'t see how he fits here, we have Dwight Smith and Bullocks is probably too small to play SS. Confusing.

3. Alfred Fincher - B minus - another we probably could\'ve gotten later, but hey, at least it\'s a LB. Could be another Orlando Ruff, or maybe he can switch to SLB. Won\'t be hard for him to compete with this crew.

4. Ambulance Chaser Lyman - F - why do we need another injury-prone WR? Yet another who would\'ve likely fallen to the 5th or 6th rounds. May be a playmaker when healthy, but historically isn\'t often enough to make any difference.

5. Adrian McPherson - C - not a bad pick in the 5th. We all know about him. Says he just wants a shot ... I\'m willing to give him one.

6. Jason Jefferson - B - good pick in the 6th. Hope he wasn\'t influenced by his buddy on the D-line (Hawthorne), but looks like a solid depth guy. Like the LB corps, won\'t be hard for him to compete.

7. Jimmy Verndon - D - too small for DT, too slow for a pass rusher. Passed on Ernest Shazor, Ben Wilkerson and Junior Rosegreen to take this guy. Not likely we\'ll get the value outta this guy we got with last year\'s 7th (Bockwoldt), but who knows?

Overall: C, I like it far less than last years draft. Still ignoring needs, still making inexplicable picks. Yup, that\'s the average.


Euphoria 04-24-2005 05:32 PM

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1. A, you get the top OL in the draft, fill a glaring need and you prevent a division rivail from getting him... The line is already improved now.

2. B-, This guy has instincts and is a player. Not going to grade him as to whom they could have gotton but to get a player like this is a solid pick if he takes over for Bellamy great... if not he\'ll be back up and will excell on special teams. Comes from good athletic family.

3. B safe pick... and will do very well on special teams if doesn\'t start right away.

4. C, I like this pick in away... you have to take chances on 4 and below... and I think this one will pan out, lots of upside and huge body to snag the posesion grabs. Comes from a good pedigree.

5. B plus, a steal here as long as they keep him out of trouble off the field.

6. B lacks size but getting an athlete you can play him in different positions... not bad.

7. B need position and good value here with this pick.

FireVenturi 04-24-2005 05:53 PM

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1. Jammal Brown - B - can\'t forgive them for passing on DJ, but I actually had the Saints taking Brown on my draft board. I don\'t think we\'ll regret Brown, but we may regret snubbing DJ more.

2. Josh Bullocks - D - probably could\'ve gotten him in the 3rd. I don\'t see how he fits here, we have Dwight Smith and Bullocks is probably too small to play SS. Confusing.

3. Alfred Fincher - B minus - another we probably could\'ve gotten later, but hey, at least it\'s a LB. Could be another Orlando Ruff, or maybe he can switch to SLB. Won\'t be hard for him to compete with this crew.

4. Ambulance Chaser Lyman - F - why do we need another injury-prone WR? Yet another who would\'ve likely fallen to the 5th or 6th rounds. May be a playmaker when healthy, but historically isn\'t often enough to make any difference.

5. Adrian McPherson - C - not a bad pick in the 5th. We all know about him. Says he just wants a shot ... I\'m willing to give him one.

6. Jason Jefferson - B - good pick in the 6th. Hope he wasn\'t influenced by his buddy on the D-line (Hawthorne), but looks like a solid depth guy. Like the LB corps, won\'t be hard for him to compete.

7. Jimmy Verndon - D - too small for DT, too slow for a pass rusher. Passed on Ernest Shazor, Ben Wilkerson and Junior Rosegreen to take this guy. Not likely we\'ll get the value outta this guy we got with last year\'s 7th (Bockwoldt), but who knows?

Overall: C, I like it far less than last years draft. Still ignoring needs, still making inexplicable picks. Yup, that\'s the average.


\"Ambulance chaser\" :xxrotflmao:

Stoopid512 04-24-2005 06:21 PM

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Overall Grade - D+

Jamal Brown - (D) I\'m not giving Jamal Brown a D, because he\'s a great lineman. I\'m giving the decision to draft him a D because they drafted the wrong side of the ball. At first when the Saints first traded up to #13, I thought they were going to go after Derrick Johnson from Texas, but alas, I had to shout obsenities at my television for a third year in a row for not drafting a CB or LB. I\'m so dissapointed with this first pick, but perhaps drafting Jamal Brown will help the O-Line. Get ready for another year of teams running against us...

2. Josh Bullocks - (F) Where did this come from? I thought this guy was going to fall to at least the fourth round, but alas, the Saints amaze me again. I swore the Saints were going to move with Corey Webster or Kevin Burnett. I guess this was Mickey Loomis trying to save his job by picking the wrong defensive position.

3. Alfred Fincher - (B) He\'ll start with the terrible linebacker corps the Saints have been fielding for the past decade. This is the position I honestly thought the Saints were going with in the first round.

4. Chaser Lyman - (F) This guy won\'t be around long. Has anybody seen the laundry list of injuries this guy had in college (ankle, groin, hamstring, hip, appendicitis)? He had to sit out an entire season, and missed a TON of games during his college career.

5. Adrian McPherson - (F) I\'m highly against bringing this guy to New Orleans. Why bring a troubled player to New Orleans for crying out loud? Get ready to hear about Police Reports and mishaps in the city with this guy. He may be productive, but I would have gone elsewhere to develop a QB. I can see the need of finding a back up QB, but do you honestly think Brooks is scared of losing his job to him?

6. Jason Jefferson - (A) Perhaps a steal for a sixth round pick. If the Saints can get him to lose a bit of weight and develop a touch of speed (Ran a 5.2/40 at the combine), he may develop into a decent starter. Perhaps the first good pick the Saints made. Was Mickey Loomis not in the war room during this selection?

7. Jimmy Verdon - (C) Although he does lack size, I see this guy as a second string lineman for the next couple of years while developing. Could fill a void due to injury perhaps.

Overall Draft Grade -

D+ - I didn\'t see the reason for the positions that were drafted when they were drafted. I thought they would have gone LB, CB, then OL, but alas, I was proven wrong, again. This is by far one of the weaker drafts I\'ve seen in the past few years, but at least the Saints didn\'t draft a kicker in the second round (I.E. - NY Jets). I hope the Saints can make some more moves for the defensive side during free agency, but highly doubtfull. I expect yet another mediocre season coming up, perhaps a 7-9 or 8-8, unless the defense can over-achieve and the offense finally decides to play together.

ssmitty 04-24-2005 07:00 PM

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i will grade once the season begins if that\'s alright with the rest of you........................smitty

BlackandBlue 04-24-2005 07:15 PM

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1. Jammal Brown- (A-) If this is truly the guy you had at the top of your list, then you achieved your goal. The fact that he was the first tackle chosen in the draft further backs the claim that he was \"your guy\", instead of settling on the next best player.
2. Josh Bullocks- (D) I thought we had our special teams players covered. Good luck in being anything more.
3. Alfred Fincher- (C) Not completely sold this was the avenue to take. But I don\'t know enough of the guy to be for sure.
4. Chaser Lyman- (F) Who the hell? Was never on the radar.
5. Adrian McPherson- (A-) Loved it! I\'ve seen some arena league games he\'s played in and the guy is a specimen.
6. Jason Jefferson- (B) Damn good value for someone who was projected to go in the 4th. Need all the help we can get against the run.
7. Jimmy Verdon- (C+) He is what he is. A situational DE against the run. He will need some work, though.

Overall, I give it a (C) if you don\'t consider that we traded away our 3rd rounder for next year. (D-) if you do (gotta take it into account at some point, don\'t we?)

[Edited on 25/4/2005 by BlackandBlue]

LordOfEntropy 04-24-2005 07:41 PM

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I think you summed up the same grades I\'d have given, BnB.

Add to that the dismally non-aggressive Free Agency, and I\'ll stick with an overall offseason grade of D.

I sincerely hope that there is more activity coming now that the draft is over. And if not.... it\'ll be a long season. With empty stands by the end of it.

ssmitty 04-24-2005 07:55 PM

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you know loe, (hey, that rhymes)....know low, get it? anyway, for some very, very, very sick reason........, i miss your avatar..........but please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it\'s not..........and i repeat not, a reason to show it again.........it\'s just i have a few mexican guys that work with me and one of em is a dead ringer in drag..............anyway, i just can\'t look at him the same for some reason..........go figure.....kinda chilling, like the draft, ehhhhhhhhhh. smitty

FireVenturi 04-24-2005 07:57 PM

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smitty........if that god-forbidden thing pops back up u are the first one we are coming to look for.lol

ssmitty 04-24-2005 08:01 PM

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lol, the thing i dread more, is with less clothes........lol

LordOfEntropy 04-24-2005 08:04 PM

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Your wish is my command, smitty.

I post it in -grandiose- honor to Jim Haslett, celebrating the BEST SAINTS OFFSEASON since.... since..... Tuesday.

-LoE

FireVenturi 04-24-2005 08:04 PM

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thanks smitty........guess who the hell is back? LOE\'s frickin swamp thing!!!!!

ssmitty 04-24-2005 08:08 PM

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hey, at least it\'s just the...........aaaaaahhgggg face.......
going to the bathroom, with my vodka and looking for the sleeping pills............night, night............smitty

LordOfEntropy 04-24-2005 08:11 PM

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Sleep tight, sweetie pie.

JKool 04-24-2005 08:16 PM

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Alright:

Brown - A. Best lineman in the draft. This guy allowed like 1 sack in some ridiculous number of games. I wanted DJ, but I\'m over it.

Bullocks - C+. A Safety, WTF? However, he allows us to let Dwight roam free rather than cover Bellamy\'s butt. We get to go back to a right-left safety system (rather than a free-weak system). This the guy who can do what they claimed Mitchell would do. I don\'t understand not getting a LB, but if you thought you could get your guy in the 3rd (and Fincher was the guy), then you did alright. Furthermore, for everyone who says we could have got him in the 3rd, think again - there were two other FS\'s taken between when we took him and our 3rd pick!

Fincher - B-. Character guy, a lot of tools, good attitude. I think he\'ll play SLB, where I have no doubt he is an upgrade over Allen. Sure, we\'ll have to wait and see, but given what I\'ve seen from Allen - I\'m fine with anyone who sounds like he\'s going to be good. I would have preferred Blackstock, but I would have given Blackstock a B- here too - we needed a playmaker, and we got a 3rd rounder.

Lymon - D/F. A WR? WTF? I don\'t get this and I probably never will. We may as well have traded this pick for a 3rd next year, I bet someone would have bitten.

McPherson - C+. If he come through, great; if he doesn\'t, we wasted our 5th... oh no. Also, no matter how you slice it, this was a good value pick.

Jefferson - B-. Area of need, solid player. Fine pick.

Verdon - C. DE? His bio didn\'t look too impressive to me. He can play DT too (though, he\'d be extremely small - he\'s like 30 lbs lighter than Young). 7th round pick, hard to say who cares.

Overall Grade: B-.
We needed an OT, LB, DT, and depth at QB, S, and CB. Guess what, we got them all (except CB).

D? Because we didn\'t get DJ? I wanted him as much as the next guy, but our rushing attack was 29th (not much better than our 32nd ranked D), and we decided ball control was more important than the middle of our D. Ok, I\'m not behind that, but it isn\'t stupid.

Sure we need a stud at DT, but who was there T. Johnson? Who would have been happy with that with our first? I wanted DJ, but barring that, Brown is awesome!

For all you guys who says our FO won\'t trade to get their guy? What now? They did, and now you\'re upset about it?

I\'m confused. This is not the draft that I wanted, but I\'m having trouble deciding why I should write us off.

We were 8-8 last year with the 29th rushing attack and the 32nd ranked D. We have improved our OL - with Mayberry and Brown. Improving our line will improve our rushing game - which should make us better. We have solidified an already impressive passing attack with a better OL. Good work.

We have taken measures to improve our defense. Getting Dwight Smith is a stroke of excellence. A ballhawk who gives us options at CB and FS! Nice. I\'m sure we\'ll get worse as a result?! We add a guy who can do what Mel Mitchell was supposed to do all along - allow us to play mixed coverages and a left-right system! Boy our FO is nuts! Increasing options, getting a playmaker and so on. Sure, I wanted Ruud or Burnett after DJ was gone, but my disappointment doesn\'t make this draft worse than it is.

I think a Howard deal for a DT or an LB is still in the works. If that doesn\'t happen, I give our offseason a C/C+, if it does (depending on the player), I give it a B/B+.

BlackandBlue 04-24-2005 08:34 PM

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Brown is considered a better pass blocker than a run blocker. Draw your own conclusions from that.

papz 04-24-2005 08:42 PM

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New Orleans Saints

Drafting tackle Jammal Brown is a key for the Saints. (AP)
Best pick: Moving up in the first round to get Jammal Brown to play right tackle is a good move. Now they can move Jermane Mayberry back to right guard. This line is going to be a powerful unit.

Questionable move: Receiver Chase Lyman, a fourth-round pick, has had a long line of injury problems.

Steal: Taking a chance on quarterback Adrian McPherson will help give this team a developmental prospect in case Aaron Brooks doesn\'t continue to grow.

Overall grade: B+. Love the move up to get Brown, and second-round pick Josh Bullocks and third-round pick Alfred Fincher will push for time as rookies.

Prisco\'s off sportsline.com ... judging from other grades, it looks like we had a very solid draft. My personal opinion is a solid B and would be higher if we had drafted a HEALTHY Lyman. But if he can contribute a year or two down the road (remember he\'s only a 4th rounder), this will prove to be one of our strongest draft classes in recent years.

All three of our first round picks will be able to contribute immediately which is always a plus. Our defense looks like it\'s going to generate many more turnovers and the range of our secondary looks much improved. We didn\'t get the biggest or fastest guys out there, but we got some football players. I like the direction we are headed in.

[Edited on 25/4/2005 by papz]

JKool 04-24-2005 08:51 PM

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BnB,

I conclude that we\'re going to run inside behind Holland, Bentley (pro-bowler), and Mayberry (pro-bowler). And not off tackle behind Gandy (pro-bowler) and Brown (arguably the best OT in the draft).

;)

BlackandBlue 04-24-2005 09:09 PM

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I don\'t think I did a good job of getting my point across. I was thinking more along the lines of catering to the golden boy.

LKelley67 04-24-2005 10:39 PM

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i\'m still recovering. not up to grading yet. overall, not so bad really. more, what could have been. besides brown, they all seem to qualify with capital IF\'s attached.

bayouking318 04-25-2005 12:59 AM

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Now that the tourcher is over I can\'t wait to see Loomis gone!! I t is too bad to see that they have great & talented scouts, but a idiotic FO. 1st of all Jammal Brown is a helluva pick that seems to be a more reliable OT than Alex Barron but why in the :censored: do you trade up w/ 2 potentially prospect that can improve a defense ranked DEAD last in almost every category and draft OT? I can careless carolina was interested in picking him. Point blank they waited that long, an with Jammal Brown, Alex Barron, Derrick Johnson and Thomas Davis on the board this was IDIOTIC move. (C+)

Once again the scouts was on target finding a worthy 2nd rd pick but with the signing of Dwight Smith this was a unnecessary pick. Lousy Loomis with this pick should\'ve draft a player that can come in and challenge for a starting position if not for the 1st week at least by the middle of season. Why draft a player who might not see the field til next season? I was certain that a LB or CB will be picked ( Odell Thurman or Justin Miller). (F)

At this point I had absolutely no faith in our FO and what do they do go find a gem. I don\'t know much bout this kid (Fincher) but what i have read bout this guy was outstanding. He have enough speed to cover and make sideline to sideline tackles. #1 reason I like the kid that everyone of the analysts say this guy RARELY struggles to disengage from OL to make a plays. hint for Haslet don\'t hold back on this kid (A)

I was so excited an ready for what was in store for the 4th and what do the FO do, put me back in my place and draft a WR that can\'t stay healthy. I was certain Hawthorne would be picked here. How do they think this guy will make the team? I can\'t see him making it over Beerman or Gardner. Don\'t get me wrong this guy have alot of potential but I would want a more reliable WR if I was going to pick one here. I thik they thought they will be able to replace the beerman with Devery & bring this guy along like Talman but it will be foolish if the guy stay on IR. (F)

It was over I couldn\'t take anymore. I drink a couple of beers watching the NBA, commercial come on so I turn back an see QB Adrian Mcpherson under NO. I couldn\'t believe it. I would \'ve never think of a black QB being pick by us. This guy will certainly be the starter in 2-3 years. The draft is starting to look like the games of last year. (A)

When Hawthorne was off the board I could careless bout the other prospect. Jason Jefferson & Jimmy Verdon might be a nice fit but I didn\'t read anything to excite me (C).

overall grade (D+)



nola_swammi 04-25-2005 06:51 PM

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:lol: I agree


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